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[–] MrMongoose 22 points 200 points (+222|-22) ago 

So 50% of cop kills are white, 30% are black... That would be a pretty compelling argument if it weren't for the fact that 78% of the population is white and only 13% are black.

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[–] FuckRedditSJWFaggots 8 points 42 points (+50|-8) ago 

What are the statistics on crime per race? I'd love to see this go both ways.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

That was what he used when he said whites are killed more often. With the fact that blacks are more likely to be involved in violent crimes, with this bias in whites are have 1.3 rate of death by police.

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[–] cwt 5 points 70 points (+75|-5) ago 

That's not what the Department of Justice statistics say.

Among every 100,000 black people who are arrested, 5.6 die, compared with only 3 of every 100,000 white arrestees.

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[–] flyawayhigh 5 points 11 points (+16|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Let's run some numbers to see if your claimed statistic makes sense... :D

There are 1000 blacks and 1000 whites.

500 blacks are arrested. 50 are killed. That's ten percent.

100 whites are arrested. 20 are killed. That's twenty percent.

This is an example where black people are more likely to be arrested, yet less likely to be killed during arrest.

Is this meaningful? What do we learn from this?

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[–] TerriChris [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"...adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones."

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” [Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood] said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

The article was short enough to read it.

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[–] InternetTuffGuy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yes, but that doesn't fit a racists narrative...

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[–] TerriChris [S] 6 points 50 points (+56|-6) ago 

I suspect that police kill more men than women too else we would have heard about the 'war on women.'

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[–] thelordofcheese 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Gottdang Patriarchy taking all the police shootings when a wumyn could do it just as well!

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[–] kenlane 1 points 47 points (+48|-1) ago 

This is the conversation. I want to see a cop shoot a white unarmed teenager in the back,” said Ms. Morrison, who also has won the Pulitzer Prize for her work, which includes the bestsellers “Beloved” and “Song of Solomon.” “And I want to see a white man convicted for raping a black woman. Then when you ask me, ‘Is it over?’, I will say yes.”

That's a pretty fucked up thing to say.

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[–] tanzmeister 1 points 39 points (+40|-1) ago  (edited ago)

How about no one shoots anyone? Is that too much to ask?

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[–] Quawonk 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

LOL! This is Merrika we're talking about here!

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[–] Balrogic 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Note the strong tone of race baiting and incitement toward creating discord among anti-police protesters of different racial backgrounds. Read how the media does all of this in a story that deflects the blame that rests squarely on itself as it refuses to cover such stories until they can attempt starting a race war with it.

The powers that be want us at each other's throats because they would never remain in power if the common rabble united with common cause.

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[–] TdotHoneyD 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I want to rape ms Morrison and then shoot her in the back

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[–] TheBuddha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, that escalated quickly. You wouldn't be someone just over from Reddit recently, would you?

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[–] Samchay6 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Generally speaking, white dudes are not screwing black women. Also, white kids learn to follow basic directions such as; freeze, turn around slowly and face me, hands where I can see them, put your hands on top of your head, get on the ground, and many more. Lastly, white males have no sympathy for white violent criminals.

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[–] NotWearingPants 5 points 43 points (+48|-5) ago 

White cops killing white people doesn't generate near the headlines that white cops killing black people do. Just as black-on-black crime is pretty much ignored by the media.

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[–] Fuck_SRS 6 points 46 points (+52|-6) ago 

That's cause black lives only matter when white people kill them.

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[–] dragonpenis 3 points 37 points (+40|-3) ago 

Kinda like how when mentioning slavery the whole part where Africans were sold to the whites by their African neighbors who conquered them in a tribal war is just sorta glossed over.

As an Asian dude who's got no dog in this fight, I don't see how slavery in the Americas is different from roman empire, mongol empire, and various Arabian states who used even more brutal method to subjugate other races, but yet they are lost in time and now romanticized as the glory days. Everyone who suffered in their system is not represented and their descendants are not cared for.

Somehow the liberal historians seem to have turned the whole suffrage and the civil rights movement into some kind of triumph for the progressive movement, like as if people marching walking on the streets have miraculously made everything change, but for any system to change sans revolution, it requires people at the top to give concessions.

And the history of the U.S. is the history of powerful white old men going "hmm, I find that reasonable, I'll listen to your demands and make necessary accommodations." which is unprecedented in the history of men. No group or faction in history willingly gave part of their own power away to change the social structure just because people asked. Even today in places like India (And Asia in general) caste system exist and it refuses to go away just because it has always existed no matter how hard they attempt it to stop. For the U.S. have gone from flogging blacks to having one as a president is an incredible achievement on its own and it's a testament to tolerance of the society.

Which brings me to the point, I find that people in the U.S, when they cry for injustice, more often than not they seem to be doing that to extract most benefits out of their opponents because they know their opponent is reasonable and mild who will ultimately give concessions. I'm currently in an unique position in Asia where I interact with both poor and well-off people and if there's something I learned is that just because they're poor doesn't mean they're naturally good or kind, and vice versa for the rich. The poor, more often than not are rude, uncultured, spit on the street/smoke while walking type you wouldn't want around your kids. It's likely what got them into the social position in the first place. So when I see black mothers crying on TV for their suicide-by-cop kids, I am not easily fooled knowing what I know about the poor. But white liberals who's never lived near poor neighborhood don't know better and they are horrified of the perceived injustice which leads to further unnecessary concessions.

Of course the slavery was bad, of course people are equal, and equal chance to work/vote must be given to women and minorities. Sure. But the concession must end somewhere before that fine point where it becomes a privilege. Once people are on an equal footing, it's now time to work your ass off to actually earn a living. It doesn't matter if your grandfather was a slave. Everyone's ancestors were a slave at one point or another. If your country made that much concession just to accommodate you from losing your tribal conflict in Africa that sold you wholesale, maybe it's time to pull your pants up and wear a tie to work. Maybe it's time to stop glorifying violence and cheap entertainment. Maybe it's time to read free books at libraries, use internet to find jobs, and work up the social ladder even if slowly, instead of complaining that some white dude looked at you funny. I know most Asians who immigrated to America did just that. We don't fuck around.

I dunno man, I got no dog in this fight but looking at the whole conflict from afar through my lens, it all seem rather redundant to me.

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[–] Balrogic 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago  (edited ago)

No, that's because the media is populated by a bunch of racist fuckers that only want to run a story when they can attempt to incite race riots. The media has a lot in common with that psychopath that shot up a black church. Same objectives, same morality.

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[–] Pm-me-your-boobs 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Maybe we should burn down our city and riot and loot, then people would care about our cause too

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[–] flimflamedthezimzam 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Since when did voat start using Fox news math? I would really really fucking hope OP was correct considering blacks are only about 12.5% of the population. The fact that the numbers are even anywhere remotely close to the point where people can use hillbilly statistical analysis is why the media is involved.

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

So start generating some headlines? Get your community out to protest the injustice you face the next time some kid gets killed. Shouldn't take long. Oh, wait. The reason is because your community support it.

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[–] Anomander 4 points 21 points (+25|-4) ago 

This is only half-true.

“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.

Taking US demographics into account, police definitely kill proportionately more black people than white people. But you do have a point that white victims of police violence are definitely glossed over in the mainstream media.

I think it's ultimately about the fact that the media can sell almost any instance black youth killed by police as racism, even though the problem is not any single death but rather the ongoing trend of blacks being killed at considerably higher rates than whites. The media can't sell any white victim of police shootings as racism, because let's be honest they aren't. So the only reason mainstream media would do major coverage of a white victim is to go for the anti-police narrative rather than the racism narrative, and the media probably views that as a risk.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Black people are a much higher percentage of police contacts as well, which shows that the rate at which suspects are shot differs based on race. More black people are shot compared to their population demographic due to racist police policies profiling black people for harassment, arrest and oppression. More white people are just plain shot when the cops get involved with them. We need to get past this black/white thing because we're all getting killed by those fucking pigs.

Think about it. Fewer black people are shot based on the rate of police contact because of public pressure. The same amount of white people are shot because of the lack of public pressure. The white people getting shot are used to justify the continuation of use of force policies that promote conflict escalation and violence. The lower rate of black shootings by rate of police contact is also used to justify the continued racial focus that oppresses an entire ethnic population. When they do shoot a black person, they can point at the extremely permissive, protective laws and policies that let cops kill people pretty much at will with no punishment. The police aren't interested in public safety, they're interested in PR management and damage control. They're interested in covering their asses. They're interested in protecting themselves, advancing themselves at the expense of all else. They want absolute control, absolute obedience, absolute power.

As for the media... They did cover a white teen getting outright murdered by the cops. They didn't cover it as anti-police, they covered it with race baiting in order to sow discord among black and white anti-police protesters.

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[–] OneTrueCube 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

This is only anecdotal, but a guy in my area (this was like a year ago?) was shot by police when they stopped him for running a red light and he drunkenly got out of the car to talk to them instead of staying seated. He was clearly unarmed but they pretty much just popped him immediately without question.

He ended up surviving the incident but the whole thing barely received any news coverage. He was half white, half Hispanic.

But nobody really cares about shooting victims of any sort unless the TV voices tell them to be mad about it.

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[–] Subway_Bernie_Goetz 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

In 2013, 39% of cop killers were black. Assuming that the cop killers whose race was not recorded were not black. Maybe there's a reason besides racism why cops kill a disproportionate amount of blacks. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/officers-feloniously-killed/felonious_topic_page_-2013

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[–] ShimmyShimmy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Someone gets it

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[–] MichaelDouglas 6 points 11 points (+17|-6) ago  (edited ago)

According to Wikipedia 62% of the U.S. is white non-hispanic and 13.2% is black. That means there are almost 5 times as many white people as black in the U.S. but the article says blacks are killed almost as often as whites (30% vs 49%). Isn't that kind of proving the point that black people are disproportionately killed by cops..?

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[–] flimflamedthezimzam 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Shhhh, the racist r/coontown refugees from reddit aren't very good with math.

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[–] Balrogic 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Yet black people are around 80% of the people targeted for arrest by the police. Factor that into your math. The cops will kill the maximum number of people they can get away with. Black communities are a bit better organized against oppression but keep their focus on just their community rather than the whole. We need to stop getting divided up and conquered piecemeal.

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[–] flimflamedthezimzam 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is true. No one is talking about the fact that we're the world's leading police state in terms of incarcerations per capita. 25% of the world's prisoners are American when we're only about 3% of the world's population. Not only more prisoners per capita than China, but more prisoners just in raw volume of lives destroyed.

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[–] TdotHoneyD 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Since when is a 20% difference close to the same?

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[–] KinkRaven 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Why do proportions matter?

Why isn't the absolute number something to get upset over.

Regardless of the math, the raw numbers just suck for everyone.

Let's throw Latinos and asians in that mix too, what's up with the cops not killing them too!?!

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[–] MichaelDouglas 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Why do proportions matter?

Uhh really? It matters because when you're figuring out how often something should happen you can't just look at absolute numbers. If I had a 6 sided die with "1" on 5 sides and "2" on 1 side would you bet against me $100 even money if I said I would roll a "1"?

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[–] Armcracker 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

This is beyond stupid. Why are you trying to make a pissing contest about who gets killed more, instead of focusing on the fact that far too many people, of all races, are being killed by cops?

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[–] Gigan 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Can we at least agree that a lot of law enforcement is out of control?

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[–] edthomson92 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes. If we didn't only focus on race, sex, etc, and focused on this, we'd make some real progress.

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