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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 3 points 90 points (+93|-3) ago 

That's one of the things I like about Trump. He owes nothing to anyone.

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[–] Grunge 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

he should really use this if he wants to make a run, keep pointing out how others are being bribed, or I'm sorry, lobbied and given 'donations.' I'm not a fan of Trump, but I'd rather see him than bush or hilary or most of the other candidates besides Bernie. Every debate, every speech he should really play this card about how others get paid. At the very least it will bring attention to this issue which has plagued our politics.

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[–] Absolem 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yeah if nothing else it will at least make the bribery less shameless. Someone needs to shame them for it.

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[–] ShimmyShimmy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I love bern too, but Jesse "The Body" Ventura wants to be his running mate. That would be so interesting. He was a good Governor. He is crazy, but smart. He don't give a fuck and could suplex trump in a heartbeat.

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[–] catmampbell 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

That's not surprising, you couldn't build anything in New York in the 70s without working with the mob in some way or another.

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[–] Turbo_Sloth 9 points 2 points (+11|-9) ago 

It's also one of the things I dislike about Trump. Fuckin' loans, man.

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[–] DaneilFlamino_ 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Trump says what other politicians refuse to say. And he's willing to say it in a PUBLIC format which makes it 10 times more impressive than any other cowardly political leader out there today.

You can't hold your leaders accountable until you learn to hold YOURSELVES accountable by putting your own views under public scrutiny.

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[–] thouliha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Especially immigrants.

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[–] AgriGrunt 7 points 43 points (+50|-7) ago  (edited ago)

Why are we celebrating the fact that this man is rich? Just because he is rich does not mean he is above being influenced by others. It is absurd to suggest that just because someone is rich that they are a more moral individual. The entire premise rests on people accepting that exceedingly rich people are better able at decision making and moral calculus.

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[–] Turbo_Sloth 0 points 59 points (+59|-0) ago 

Well Trump on one side, having too much money, and Sanders, not having much of any, both show their demographics how much money influences politics in a way that most candidates are incapable of doing. I personally disagree with Trump on many fronts, yet I think it's beneficial for society for him to be in this race and call society out on a lot of their bullshit... I would love a Trump/Sanders debate.

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[–] CoLeon0 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

We need to make this happen

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[–] DMonitor 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I want them to run solely for the Epic Rap Battles of History version of the debates.

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[–] Tb0n3 6 points 0 points (+6|-6) ago 

It might turn out like that BLM thing. Trump just spouting so much bullshit that Sanders just says "I'm out."

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[–] W3a53l 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Sanders has been in office for over 20 years, and hasn't amounted to much..

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[–] Bathroom_Humor 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

True true. It's good to refuse lobbying (Though, Trump is not someone I would personally trust to turn down a good deal, but for the sake of argument), trying to keep outside money from influencing a political campaign and policies.

But the reason for Trump turning down money is a symptom of a larger issue with the man; He is filthy rich, filthy greedy, and filthy narcissistic.

The sheer gall and cash reserves of the man can allow him to rock the boat much as he has, with little personal repercussions to himself or his campaign so far. And this isn't a BAD thing, since our political system could in many ways use a good rocking. But in the end, he is a chronic shitty person. He can ignore a lot of bad things about the election process, but he can also ignore the needs of others, while HIS need for lods of emone (and by extension, people like him) will definitely influence the kinds of decisions he would make in office. Being corrupted by his own money isn't any better than being influenced by the cash of others.

A broken clock, two times a day, etc etc.

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[–] Tipman79 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just because he is rich does not mean he is above being influenced by others. It is absurd to suggest that just because someone is rich that they are a more moral individual.

Exactly this. The one undeniable trait that most rich people all share is a desire to remain rich and become even richer. That leaves a lot of room for immoral decisions.

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[–] tonberry2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Quite the opposite, this man has a long history of shady business dealings including multiple bankruptcies. You can also tell what kind of a man he is by how he speaks about the other candidates; he is acting as bully at best, and at worst, a thug. Now he may have the money to back up his statements, but not the morals. There are no morals to see here. Just money, power, and abuse.

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[–] archimedes7 9 points 17 points (+26|-9) ago 

This really doesn't make any sense. Electing Trump because he can't be bought is just letting the rich openly take control instead of working through bribery. That's like if a doctor couldn't figure out what was killing a patient so they instead just shot the patient in the face. At least then they know what the problem is, right?

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[–] erowidtrance [S] 3 points 18 points (+21|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Electing Trump because he can't be bought is just letting the rich openly take control instead of working through bribery.

A rich guy getting elected but making his own decisions whether you agree with them or not is far better than hundreds of lobbyists directing politics from behind the scenes with a facade of democracy. There is a chance Trump will do what he believe is right for America, there is no chance politicians beholden to corporations will do that.

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[–] RabidRaccoon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Hey erowidtrace! Nice to see you on here instead of The Other Place. It's a shame /v/ukip isn't as active as /r/ukipparty.

Playing devils advocate though - the Supreme Court in the US has ruled that the government can't limit donations by non profits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, No. 08-205, 558 U.S. 310 (2010), is a U.S. constitutional law case dealing with the regulation of campaign spending by organizations. The United States Supreme Court held that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting independent political expenditures by a nonprofit corporation. The principles articulated by the Supreme Court in the case have also been extended to for-profit corporations, labor unions and other associations.

I.e. effectively political donations are speech. Which is a bit of an odd idea, and not one I agree with. Still suppose it is. Then you have candidates which are in hock to vested interests. Now even though Trump is rich now he could get even richer as POTUS. One obvious comparison is Silvio Berlusconi - an immensely rich and immensely tactless plutocrat not unlike Trump. However in power he used his power to grow his business interests and also used the immunity from prosecution that politicians enjoy to avoid being arrested for all sorts of stuff. As soon as he lost immunity he was prosecuted for tax fraud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi#Tax-fraud_conviction_in_Mediaset_trial_.281988-98.29

I.e. as flawed as the US system it is not at all clear that having uber rich politicians who are theoretically not dependent on donors is any better.

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[–] raspberryvine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

But is he doing what is right for America or, like the lobbyists, for the ways that make him money? The latter makes more sense. Could you imagine him imposing bigger taxes on himself (that is on the rich) therefore losing money on purpose because of morality? I somehow doubt it.

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[–] I_like_paint 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

So money= bad?

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[–] archimedes7 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago 

In politics, yes. The entire problem with politicians getting tons of money from the rich is that they're disproportionately controlled by the richest citizens. Trying to fix the problem of rich people having more political power by electing them directly makes no sense. Also, Trump isn't some paragon of political virtue. He admitted to "buying" many of his opponents, so evidently he's ok with corruption in at least some cases.

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[–] FilmMakingShitlord 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No, but Trump = bad.

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[–] C_IsForCookie 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Electing politicians who can be bought is also letting the rich take control.

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[–] tonberry2 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yep, it is basically just electing an abusive member of the 1% and cutting out the middleman that they usually buy and order around. THAT is nothing to celebrate, you're still going to get the same thing as before or even worse.

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[–] mackelday 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

POLITICIAN_NAME is a puppet

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[–] erowidtrance [S] 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago 

That's why Trump has a massive advantage over his competitors. He makes everyone apart from Sanders look like a joke. They're all puppets taking money that will influence their decision making later on.

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[–] JJEvil 12 points 11 points (+23|-12) ago  (edited ago)

This belongs in politics, not news.

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[–] Chew_Monster 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Idk man, this is pretty news worthy. A politician that is claiming to not take money from lobbyists.

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[–] Ifaptocomments 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If there was hard evidence it would be news. Why should we take a politicians word as news?

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[–] JJEvil 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

In this case, it's politics and opinion. It's not a reporting of facts. Now if he releases some documentation showing where he denied contributions, it could be reported by someone else as fact. Him just saying so and throwing in name calling is politics.

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[–] voxshades 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

At this point, I have no idea which ego I'm going to vote for. All I know is it won't be a Clinton or a Bush. I'm done with "meet the new boss same as the old boss" bullshit. The only thing I like about Trump at this point is that he's actually saying some things that many people are thinking.

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[–] tonberry2 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Well in that case let me introduce you to Trump. He is the new boss who is the same as the old boss.

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[–] C_IsForCookie 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Not voting for Clinton or Bush because you think they'll be just like their counterparts is the same thing as voting for another politician thinking they'll actually be different. That's just naive.

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[–] assholepuke 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Trump certainly is an asshole. And he'll probably corrupt himself a trillion dollars from the presidency......but he sure as fuck is different. At least he appears to be an honest sociopath.

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[–] voxshades 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm still searching for the different one, but more importantly the right one...I know it will difficult in our two party system full of "you scratch my back & i'll scratch your back croanies".

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[–] President-Sanders 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Everyone knows Donald Trump is run by Big Hair.

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[–] assholepuke 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Amazing isn't it? A decade ago, the REPUBLICANS were pushing to open the borders. Today, Obama is pushing for it and the Republicans are "against" it.

At least Trump is telling the truth. He prefers the old way where not every business owner has access to cheap, illegal labor.....only the richest, most influential business owners ;-)

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