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[–] Acer-Red 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No, race would not be any different than any other reason. Even if a business owner decided not to serve people who wear hats. I don't care how serious or silly the deciding factor is.

Let's be real. Thankfully your hypothetical is not at all likely in today's society. The moment someone begins refusing service to anyone for some ridiculous reason like that, a competitor would see that as a golden opportunity to earn tons of business, especially from that group who was refused at the other place. "Come to Bob's Restaurant! We encourage you to wear hats!"

Also, the situation in the article, as I understand it, he didn't refuse to bake cakes for homosexuals, he refused to bake wedding cakes for homosexuals. And I think it's not right to force someone to participate in something they don't believe is right. Even if I disagree with their decision and think they are on the morally wrong side, I don't think it's right to force him to bake a wedding cake for a wedding he doesn't support. And if I was homosexual and wanted a cake baked for my wedding, I certainly wouldn't want it made by someone who disagrees with my getting married and is being forced to bake the cake only because the law twisted their arm.

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[–] Betterkatethannever ago  (edited ago)

Except it doesn't work that way either. First, every single time someone has refused to serve gays, the anti-gay movement jumps on their side and they make thousands in an online campaign. Second, any business that advertises that they serve gays (say, puts a rainbow on their sign or something) is boycotted by the same people and they lose most of their business.

The free market does not fix problems like this. We had all these discussions over the Civil Rights act and segregation, I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with it now.

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[–] Acer-Red ago  (edited ago)

Except it doesn't work that way either. First, every single time someone has refused to serve gays, the anti-gay movement jumps on their side and they make thousands in an online campaign.

It's not a war. How is this wrong? Just because you and I disagree with their opinion, doesn't mean we should take away that right. We're talking about cake here. Not the right to get the same tax benefits a heterosexual couple does. We're talking about a cake, not the right to own property, or the right to vote.

Second, any business that advertises that they serve gays (say, puts a rainbow on their sign or something) is boycotted by the same people and they lose most of their business.

So what? And what about the shop owner's rights anyways? What about a gay baker who owns a shop and gets boycotted anyway? The gay baker needs to support his family, right? So if we force a religious baker to bake wedding cakes for gays, we should force religious people to buy cakes from the gay baker, right? I mean, let's just force everyone to do what you and I think is moral and just. But wait, is it really moral and just to force people to do what we think is right?

The free market does not fix problems like this. We had all these discussions over the Civil Rights act and segregation, I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with it now.

Because we're not talking about someone's right to vote. We're not talking about something that is run by the government. We're talking about an individual who bakes cakes. What about a kid who works part time fixing computers for people in the neighborhood. Let's say he's not comfortable around some certain race and decides not to fix computers for people of that race. Should we force him to do so? What if we find out the reason he's not comfortable around them is because he was molested by someone of that race?

The guy in the story refused to bake a wedding cake for a pair of homosexuals, he didn't refuse to bake them a cake, he refused to bake them a wedding cake. So you would rather make a religious man a party to what he may believe to be a sin, so gays have a right to wedding cakes? These cakes aren't provided by the government, they're provided by a private citizen and now you want to force him to bake cakes for people he doesn't want to bake cakes for because "Civil Rights" and "Segregation."

A damn wedding cake isn't a civil right. A candy bar isn't a damn civil right. Having that one kid fix your computer isn't a civil right. And it shouldn't be a government protected right either. Just because you can afford something, doesn't mean you have a right to it. Just because you can afford to buy a baker's labor to make a cake for you, doesn't mean you have the right to force that man to work for you. That's slavery. And forcing a man to bake a cake for you just because he does it for others and does it to support his family, doesn't mean you should have the right to use the government to force him to bake cakes for everyone just because they're some protected class of people.