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[–] 1784404? 7 points 153 points (+160|-7) ago  (edited ago)

Never understood why they'd be kicked off park benches or whatever.

Where the fuck are they supposed to go? "Away?" Well sorry, physical things require physical space. Just saying "be out of sight" serves only to mask and ignore a very serious and rapidly growing problem.

Maybe if more homeless are visible, the upper caste will do something about it. Not like anyone else can afford to.

Edit: like... even some shit-tier wooden shelters. Four plywood walls and a roof.

"but it's not up to code, that wall needs to be 36 inches from that thing, and it needs to have $200,000 worth of renovations to be habitable by humans"

YOU WON'T EVEN LET THE HOMELESS SLEEP ON THE DIRT! Not as long as you can see them.

For fuck sakes, at least toss some plywood, a box of nails, and a hammer to the homeless, they'll get shit started.

Just stop saying "go away", because guess what, that doesn't work.

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[–] 1urker 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago 

Not just that but shelters are dangerous places to go, you can get beat up or mugged.

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[–] ximian 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Sadly it's the same worldwide, and not too different in India too. homeless people shudder to go to government built shelters in the winter for the fear of losing whatever little possession they have. they get bullied and beaten up, so they end up on the streets. the weather in places like Delhi can be punishing - it goes to extremes.

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[–] Subtenko 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

What!? homeless shelters are dangerous because of other homeless or something? idk Ive never heard that, but thats understandable for someone to not wanna be in one then. Well whoever runs em needs to step it up then maybe problem solved.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No worry about getting beat up and mugged sleeping on the street. Oh not a chance.

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[–] blackblarneystone 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

that's true of anywhere occupied by humans

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[–] tpdplsio 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Unfortunately there are safety and liability considerations with everything you've said. If it were just that easy, then it'd be done already. If there was a big fire in the city-supplied plywood shantytown, you'd probably be here saying the government should have done more and never let people live like that in the first place and should be liable for injuries/deaths.

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[–] eldorann 5 points 9 points (+14|-5) ago 

When will people learn to take responsibility for themselves???

OK, make them sign something absolving the shelter of all responsibility.

Problem solved.

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[–] 1802390? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So you're saying sleeping on the dirt is preferable to the slim possibility of a fire on injury in this shantyhouse.

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[–] der-sert 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Truthfully this is why I support a plan similar to basic income, make it so that every person has the simplest version of food and shelter. Seeing any homeless person is heartbreaking.I give them food or water when I have extra because then I can be assured that it is a bit of comfort, even if for a moment. But that doesn't help them survive the winter come December.

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[–] F0REM4N 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

When the Super Bowl was in Detroit a few years back they threw the homeless a big party to "sweep them under the rug" complete with food drinks and entertainment until the national spotlight faded.

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[–] VoatFuckingSucks 1 points 59 points (+60|-1) ago 

Good. It's about time we take care of our homeless. Pretending that our vets, our youth, and our mentally ill homeless don't exist doesn't solve any problems for anyone.

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[–] lbmouse 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago 

The current problem in the U.S. which you are referring to can be traced back to Ronnie.

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[–] cwt 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago  (edited ago)

It can be traced back to JFK, actually.

Both parties fucked up big time.

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[–] dabork 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Common practice. In the winter jails and emergency rooms are packed with homeless people who intentionally get arrested or fake/create ailments just to get a bed and a meal for a few days. There's dozens of stories of homeless men doing something like robbing a store for a dollar and then waiting around for the cops.

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[–] i_honestly_didnt_kno 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Hmm... what if we combine the concepts of shelters and jails and develop voluntary labor camps where homeless people could perform some type of productive work in exchange for modest housing, three meals, and job training? In rural California, for instance, their labor could be outsourced to the agro-businesses, while in urban areas they could perform the type of menial work commonly done in sweat shops. To make it all legit and whatnot, the relationship could be based on some form of contract, thereby offering the homeless a degree of protection while allowing for the exploitation of their labor.

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[–] stabbymcgoo 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

We already have that its called the army

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[–] blackblarneystone 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

that's what i would do.

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[–] warkin 8 points 5 points (+13|-8) ago 

That is, everyone should be forced to endure the presence of dirty and criminal people.

That is, we should take away peoples' freedom to have hygiene and behavioral standards for their communities.

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I can't tell if you're serious or just really good at sarcasm....

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[–] l_l_l 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Most people probably think you're being sarcastic, but where I live in Brooklyn (as well as many other cities I'm sure) any nice, neighborhood park throughout the city that doesn't have a lock on it is full of homeless. I get that they have nowhere else to go, but it would be nice to also not have to equate public parks with urine stench and panhandling.

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[–] Domslord 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Except that I can't sleep on benches either, so your argument is shit.

The only difference is that I can afford a hotel room.

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[–] brother_tempus 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

How nice of them since its their economic policy that has forces many of these individuals onto the streets to begin with

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[–] blackblarneystone 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

who's?

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[–] brother_tempus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

government's

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[–] syllovespan 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I would prefer a percentage my tax dollars go toward giving assistance to the poor and homeless instead of to the war machine. I am not represented in government no matter how often my elected officials try to tell me I am.

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[–] syllovespan 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I know, right? All those arms dealers would end up having to sell KIA at the local used car lot. (No offense to KIA, they seem like ok cars)

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[–] TexasComments 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I would prefer mine didn't. It isnt about you being represented it is about the majority being represented.

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[–] syllovespan 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I'm going to venture to guess the majority of people don't want homeless people.

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[–] morrwin 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

How about the "can't sleep in your parked car" law? I hear some states have it, EU countries also. They require you every few hours to move the car...

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[–] paulbain 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

MorrWin wrote:

How about the "can't sleep in your parked car" law? I hear some states have it, EU countries also.

>> They require you every few hours to move the car...

FWIW, I have been homeless for four (4) years, since mid-August, 2011. I live in northern Virginia, the USA, about 10 miles west of Washington, D.C. I have a job as a banquet server (in a restaurant), and typically sleep in my car (Honda Civic). In the winter, I try to sleep in the shelter, but often cannot, forcing me to sleep in my car even on cold nights. BRRRRRRHHHH!!!

AFAIK, none of the municipalities in northern VA have such an ordinance (forbidding you from sleeping in your car), but it is difficult to sleep in my car nevertheless. Why? Well, one reason is rain. On hot, summer nights, I have to leave the car windows down lest my car become unbearably hot, waking me up in the middle of the night. Hence, I have to park in a parking garage overnight (with the windows rolled down), and hope that the security guard does not notice the anomaly (a parked car with its windows rolled down). Another problem is safety. If you must leave your windows rolled down, then it is easy for a criminal to access your car, provided that he is stealthy and quiet. Of course, the criminal could easily attack me as I lay sleeping -- which actually happened once (no serious injuries, though).

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[–] DarkLinkXXXX 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've also had to sleep in a Honda civic, in Western Washington, without a sleeping bag.

I didn't need the windows rolled down, which is nice, but it was cold until I got a sleeping bag. I simply couldn't sleep like that.

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[–] Enthusiast 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was homeless for about a month and slept in my car. I never had any problems with the legality of it. I tried googling laws against it in my state (Connecticut) but didn't see anything concrete.

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[–] morrwin 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It's city law, as in city ban to fight homeless persons.

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[–] Scotcheggs 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Why does the US have so many homeless? I have never seen so many in my life. Pretty much all large US cities have swarms of homeless everywhere. In San Francisco there were literally 2-3 homeless people on every street.

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[–] barrinmw 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

Because we don't want to spend the money to help people with mental illness and drug dependence? That is most of the problem, other than Traveling Kids, not many people want to be homeless, it just ends up that way.

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[–] InDifferent 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Also, it's incredibly easy to become homeless. Being homeless doesn't necessarily mean that you're dirt poor; it just means that you don't have enough money to afford a home. Most people live paycheck-to-paycheck and if you get hit with some large unexpected expense and can't afford to pay rent, boom, out onto the streets you go.

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[–] Zkv 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Traveling Kids?

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[–] Scotcheggs 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Northern Europe. But I've been to Berlin, Stockholm, Copenhagen Barcelona, Edinburgh etc and you cannot compare a few gypsy beggers in those cities to the sheer amount I've seen in the US.

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[–] DeadFrancisco 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

What glorious utopia do you live in? Every time I've been to Europe or Asian cities I feels like I have to beat the bums off with a cane. At least American homeless have enough shame that they know they should be out of sight. Please tell me where you live that has less homeless than the US, I would very much like to go there.

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[–] tpdplsio 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Like 90% of beggars in Europe are Roma anyway.

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[–] Scotcheggs 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Live in northern Europe now but I've been to big cities like Stockholm, Copenhagen, Edinburgh etc and you only ever see a few gypsy beggers. I've been to some big cities in US like San Francisco, Portland, Richmond VA, Los Angeles and the amount of homeless is staggering. The homeless you see in the states are really bad off as well. Like they are so malnourished and insane that they will die at any moment.

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[–] Shagoosty 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

SF has a lot of pan handlers, they're not all homeless.

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[–] goat_boat 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

A city full of liberals that give away their money to feel good about themselves? That's how you get panhandlers.

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