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[–] helmetbox 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Someone on another site suggested retiring that phrase in favor of one that (I think) was introduced this week, at his event in Oregon: "We stand together!"

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[–] Sir-Real 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I heard about that and then came to the conclusion that 'feel the bern' is too iconic right now to retire, but new phrases can be used.

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[–] ParadigmShift 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Someone else on another site also suggested we keep both since they are useful for different approaches.

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[–] Blamingtim 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We all Bern together... Wait...

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[–] Biinary 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

With a bit over a year until the election, I think the whole nation will begin to feel the Bern.

Oh what a wonderful time to finally be able to enjoy my suffrage.

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[–] zwy 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

God damn. Why didn't I think of that?

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[–] Solitak 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I believe it's a hashtag.

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[–] gabeh73 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I wonder if bernie will acknowledge this corruption:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-12/did-epa-intentionally-poison-animas-river-secure-superfund-money

or just pretend more funding will fix the problem?

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[–] zwy 3 points 54 points (+57|-3) ago 

I'll take anyone over Clinton.

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[–] Aeternus 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

If it comes down to Hilary vs Jeb, we're beyond fucked. There's no victory there, regardless of conservative/liberal. None.

I'll be stocking up on the lube gentlemen.

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[–] 1760170? 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

You mean Clinton v Bush?

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[–] the_spectre 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'll just write in "no confidence."

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[–] lordslag 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Like...ANYONE? Pat Robertson? Peewee Herman? Well okay, Peewee might be decent if ridiculous...but you get the idea...

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[–] pocketForceNapkin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I believe the safe assumption here is any democrat.

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[–] goodthirsty 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Is Vermin Surpreme still around?

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[–] junglemonkey47 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Jason Alexander.

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[–] OrangePaper7 18 points -2 points (+16|-18) ago 

Tbh, I'd still take Clinton over every republican candidate out there right now.

Imo, Bernie > Hillary > Everyone else

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[–] weezkitty 3 points 60 points (+63|-3) ago 

No. Hilliary is a liar and full of deception. I would literally vote for Trump over Hillary if those were the only two options.

My vote choices are Bernie Sanders > Ben Carson > Rand Paul > Donald Trump > Hillary Clinton > Chris Christie

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[–] OmicronPersei8 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Gary Johnson! Is he even running? I don't care, Gary Johnson 2016!

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[–] rwbj 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think the biggest thing we should have learned from Obama is that integrity is critical. I didn't vote for Obama because of his integrity, I voted for him because I liked his message. Of course that he ran on a platform of breaking down k-street (lobbyists/special interests/etc) influence in DC and then decides to start appointing Monsanto lobbyists to specially created executive roles in the FDA, a telecoms lobbyist to head the FCC, culminate his presidency by trying to pass the biggest corporate handout ever via the TPP in the most undemocratic fashion possible, and much more was no real surprise given I didn't actually consider his integrity. His voting record prior to 2008 didn't really align with much of what he was saying, at all. And he was being financially backed by the same special interests he claimed to be looking to marginalize. But I didn't, we didn't, really consider these things because the man can talk.

Consequently I would rank Hillary near the bottom of all presidential candidates. She has as close to 0 integrity as one possibly can. She sells her positions off to the highest bidder and when it comes time for elections she just says whatever happens to be polling the best at the moment. When being against gay rights is politically favorable she's against gay rights. When being for gay rights is politically favorable suddenly she's all for gay rights. When she's not running for office TPP full steam ahead. When she's running for office - "I did not support the TPP." And the list goes on endlessly. If you want to see what she's actually going to do when in office go check out who's financially backing her. Does that seem like a ride you want to go on?

If she does get the nomination I will likely 'double count' my vote against her which I can do thanks to our broken election system and the fact I'm a traditionally democratic voter. The reason I'd do this is not necessarily because I think the republican candidate will do a 'not worse' job than her, but because I think he would be held accountable for his actions more than Hillary would - even if they end up being relatively similar in effect. As a random example Obama was praised for his "ground breaking environmental treaty" (MSNBC, but most of the nonconservative media phrased it similarly) with China. In reality it lets them continue raising their pollution levels however high they want for the next 15 years. You actually have to turn to the other side of partisanship to get slightly more accurate (the goals he set for the US were anything but drastic) reporting on this topic, "Obama vows drastic emissions cut, gets little back from China in new deal". I think if it was Bush that signed this treaty, he would have been appropriately mocked. If the media is partisan and both parties are going to act like idiots, I'd prefer the side that's going to be held more accountable to be in power.

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[–] CisLord 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You forgot about Ben Carson.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The problem is the backout in the media and the debates. The same thing happened to Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, and now Rand and Bernie. They have had to actually change all of the rules in the debates and to run under the party so that we can have clinton vs. bush type elections from here on out.

So bernie has a huge turnout somewhere, that is great, but people one town over have no idea, and people in another state really have no idea, the news will continue to tell people that hillary has it in the bag and the people will believe them. At the very worst they will start talking about how hillary only has the backing to beat jeb or trump, they are good at this shit, and real people don't stand a chance running for president.

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[–] ParadigmShift 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thankfully we still have 6 months until the first primary vote.

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[–] cheng 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Better they vote for what they want and think is unlikely, than act according to what they think is likely and make what they want less likely.

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[–] goodthirsty 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

She was similarly inevitable at this point of the 08 campaign

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[–] conundrumbombs 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

The primary is a long road, but this is definitely progress. It's just New Hampshire right now, but it's a big wake-up call to the establishment media. He needs to be taken seriously as a viable candidate, because he's proving it everyday. For months now, they have skirted the coverage, but this has only energized his supporters. I think the major blunder by the Clinton campaign has been treating Sanders as an underdog. It has allowed him to take his socialist label and convert it to "populist."

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[–] collator 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

He has to win more than one state but this is progress for team Bernie!

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[–] peacegnome 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Iowa will not go bernie. The democrats there are mostly party democrats, unfortunately. In the general there is no way that it will go blue either because the D has been sticking it to them for a while now.

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[–] JoshuaZ 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Do you mean exactly those two or at least those two?

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[–] BrownMoses 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is some of the best news I've seen all week

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

New Hampshire, home of thr free state project, knows corruption when they see it. Bernie and Trump or Rand will win N.H. I predict.

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[–] president_eden 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Going to be interesting if social media can make a difference in modern elections and get Bernie the votes he needs to win some of the early primaries. The media seems to all but ignore him so getting his message to the mainstream is tough.

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