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[–] VivaFrei 1 points 64 points (+65|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This is grass-roots stuff going on here. He doesn't have the big money, big budget, big ads. His face is not on the front page of CNN every day... And yet he is getting people off their feet to support him in droves. These people coming to see him are the ones who spread the word, and they represent the people. They are not the filthy rich paying $2,700 a head to have dinner with Hillary.

This is monumental, regardless of whether or not you are a staunch capitalist or fervent socialist.

It's amazing to watch.

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[–] john_potts 9 points 24 points (+33|-9) ago 

It's actually more amazing to watch Donald Trump. While the media is dismissive of Bernie, it is actively fighting against Donald Trump by attempting to demonize and smear him at every opportunity. But despite their best efforts to predict his doom after every offensive utterance out of his mouth, his numbers keep rising. This is the best political FUCK YOU of all time!

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Dan Carlin just had a podcast on this. He says that Trump and Sanders are exactly the same, but polar opposites. They are both outsiders, going into the established parties and disrupting the whole system. Very interesting to watch

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[–] sostoney 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It's refreshing to have someone talk about money in politics on a debate stage as well. No republican would dare risk the relationship with their own corporate sponsors by bringing this up, and it still seems to be generally ignored after Trump talks about it and everyone has a good laugh.

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[–] gabeh73 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I guess if you didn't learn from and enjoy the WWE scripted bad boy enemy plays as a kid then you might think the Trump thing was entertaining and real.

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[–] tonberry2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The media supports Donald Trump indirectly which is why you see so many news stories about him (and most of them positive or proclaiming that he is winning). They want Trump to split the republican vote because a lot of republicans won't vote for a jerk like that, but enough of them will that it will give their Hillary a chance to win. The media doesn't support Bernie Sanders for the same reason (he could split the democratic vote and take votes away from Hillary).

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[–] gabeh73 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

the super rich will come later if he actually make sit through the rigged election media system. The best con-man doesn't even know he is telling a lie....and when he goes to get that big tax on the "corporations" bill passed you can bet the corporate elite will be the ones writing it...and using it to punish their competitors...and limit the ability of the middle class or upper-middle class to compete with them.

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[–] helmetbox 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

the super rich will come later if he actually make sit through the rigged election media system

Better to risk that than go with someone who is already corrupt, right?

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[–] W3a53l 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Unions are not grass-roots... they're opposites I would say. I like some of Sander ideas, I will admit that. What I don't like are sheep, that see Sanders as the next chosen one. He is a life long politician that has brought hardly any real change. The only thing good about Sanders running is the Warren post have seem to stop.

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[–] CommonSense 9 points -3 points (+6|-9) ago  (edited ago)

it's an embarrassment to every soldier who fought for freedom throughout history. socialism isn't freedom! it is, by very definition, the opposite of freedom. i don't know why you people don't get that. you have the entire world's information at your fingertips, and you choose to be ignorant zombies. it makes literally 0 sense.

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[–] Shortbutclever 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Could you perhaps elaborate as to why socialism is the opposite of freedom?

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[–] Kookus 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

With that name, I would have expected you to have a little more.

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[–] mvartan 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I was there last night, his team really knows how to put on a show. There were a few speakers before him (mostly local) who really tied his message to the community of LA. Sarah Silverman introduced him on stage with a short comedy bit. Then, he spoke into the mic for an hour straight, with applause at the end of nearly every sentence.

He filled up the stadium, and about 10k stayed outside and watched on big screens

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[–] Shakyamuni 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Was he speaking with or without a teleprompter / speech paper / notes?

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[–] mvartan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I couldn't tell, I didn't see any notes. Definitely no prompter. I think one of the speakers before him may have had notes, I'm unsure

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[–] rhava 12 points 13 points (+25|-12) ago 

the shills are strong in this thread

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[–] BiscuitFever 3 points 24 points (+27|-3) ago 

"Anyone who disagrees with me is a shill"

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[–] organicgangbang 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

People who are dismissive of the existence of shills are always the ones not smart enough to spot them. I could see how that's a logical reaction.

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[–] JTMTL 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

you mean the conversation about a Politician actually caring about the population?

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[–] IceDeep 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I was a huge Ron Paul supporter. I donated a lot to his campaign, please purchased pamphlets, brochures and made a stack of dvds to pass out. I canvased for him door to door. I'm also a Bernie supporter now. People keep saying things about how you can't have been a RP supporter and now a Bernie supporter or you have issues, etc.

No its simple there is two ways we can fix this country and one is going to a libertarian system were people have real freedom and getting off the fiat money system, the other is getting money stopped as a form of free speech and give the power back to the people while evening out the spread of wealth so we don't have 1% owning 50% of the wealth. I will take either but my priority is stopping corporations from owning politicians. Until that happens nothing will get better. Bernie isn't owned by politician's he is in it for the little guy.

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[–] gabeh73 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

I empathize IceDeep..I did similar things in 2008 Ron Paul campaign. However, I watched this video of Bernie and his big key thing he emphasized was more corporate taxes....I guarantee how that will work out....the big corporations write code that strategically benefits established big lobbying corporations at the expense of small business and the competition that hurts big business.

Banning free speech on top of that won't help things.

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[–] Codyrl95 22 points 6 points (+28|-22) ago  (edited ago)

Why is this news? If anything this is politics, and even then we don't see articles like this posted about Hilary, Paul, Trump, etc. Even if someone did post those articles it would get downvoted because the same circlejerk doesn't exist.

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[–] cwt 3 points 59 points (+62|-3) ago 

even then we don't see articles like this posted about Hilary, Paul, Trump, etc.

Because they aren't drawing crowds of 20,000+ people.

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[–] jstressman 3 points 52 points (+55|-3) ago 

Bingo. Sanders has been drawing bigger crowds than all of the other candidates, including Clinton. And now he just pulled over 70,000 people in 3 days. This is monumental... like Robert F. Kennedy historic.

Blowing this off as nothing shows a deep ignorance of both current events and history.

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[–] gabeh73 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

yep I am not a Sanders fan...I liked Ron Paul. But it is news when a candidate draws extremely big crowds like this. Why is the media coverage so uncorrelated with provable support and interest from a wide range of people?

I think I know why and and I think THAT is a huge news story. The elections are a TV show the media puts on to help sedate the people....the 20,000 people crowds and 10,000 million dollar money bombs are NOT part of the show...so they stay off the front page of the Washington posts and NYTs. Puppets get elected...revolutionaries get ignored or shot.

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[–] gabeh73 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Agreed dank...I am anti-socialist...but I think this is definitely news. Will also be news when the masses that follow him are backstabbed as well. Pretty sure GE and Goldman Sachs will be writing the legislation that supposedly corrects the injustice of "not taxing corporations enough". That will be interesting to see when the Bernie Sanders supporters realize what is happening.

How much do you want to bet that Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics keep their earnings up at Bush levels or higher in the next 4 years(Democrats or Republicans, it doesn't matter)?

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[–] brokenfingers 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

These are not primary size crowds he's drawing, these crowds are presidential rally sized. I've been to primary rallies in the past, they're normally in the back yard of some union hall with the candidate speaking on a soapbox. Not in giant gymnasiums. It's actually really impressive, whether you like the candidate or not.

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[–] secretsquirrel2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If any other candidate starting drawing huge crowds, I would up vote. I'm for Bernie, but recognize that there are others running as well, and their voices should be heard. Point of fact, I've up voted a lot of Trump articles based on his popularity with the GOP base.

Who I would really like to see start making news is Rand Paul. I disagree with him on a number of issues, but not all and consider him a more viable choice than Hillary. At least he seems a bit more straight forward.

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Exactly. I would love to see what numbers Trump and Clinton are pulling... wait didn't Trump pay like 50 people to attend his rally?

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[–] bugsy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'm so glad that protesters didn't shut him down this time.

I can't figure out why SOME people in the #blacklivesmatter movement think that Bernie isn't on their side. He's the one popular candidate who might actually do something for the cause.

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[–] poodog 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Because people are fucking dumb, and listen to what they want to hear instead of the truth

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[–] cwt 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Protestors never shut him down, that's a misconception.

They shut down his speech at a Social Security rally he was invited to. His actual rally went in Seattle went fine.

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[–] Kookus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

But we don't hear about it at all. A couple hundred folks show up for Rafael Cruz to go on about how immigrants are ruining the country, and it's wall-to-wall coverage, but Bernie repeatedly getting overflow crowds never seems to make it into the headlines -- if we hear anything about the Dems, it's Hillary and her fscking email server.

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[–] 84626433832795028841 13 points 3 points (+16|-13) ago 

Yes young people of America vote for the nice uncle promising you free college and a fair share of the rich white man's money, disregard the red flag with a hammer and sickle behind him.

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[–] 1732869? 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Communism and socialism aren't the same thing. Socialism is basically like putting a mattress under capitalism, so the lower classes will have an easier time contributing to society, even in the face of severe financial problems. It worked well in Nazis Germany, where at least 95% of the population was employed. But since it was Nazis Germany, Americans get suspicious about it.

It's not about death camps and political prisons, it's not a system of shared wealth, it's not welfare for lazy asswipes who can't do shit for society, and it's not a tax funded charity. It's kinda like teaching a man to fish, providing him with fishing gear, and feeding him for the time being.

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[–] 84626433832795028841 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Communism and socialism aren't the same thing.

True, socialism is a foundation, communism is the goal. Soviet Union never claimed to actually live in communism, they were socialists who were building communism, no socialist country in history has ever claimed to have achieved communism.

Socialism is basically like putting a mattress under capitalism, so the lower classes will have an easier time contributing to society, even in the face of severe financial problems.

That's how capitalism is currently implemented in the first world countries, you don't need more socialism for that. In fact America is spending an outrageous amount of money on welfare and there is no reason to believe that spending even more will improve anything.

It worked well in Nazis Germany, where at least 95% of the population was employed. But since it was Nazis Germany, Americans get suspicious about it.

Nice try, but Nazi Germany didn't exist long enough to prove that socialism is viable, however Soviet Union did exist long enough to prove that it isn't. And don't forget that national socialism is quite different from the hugbox socialism commies like Bernie are peddling.

It's not about death camps and political prisons

Like it or not that's how socialism always ends, learn from history or be doomed to repeat it.

it's not a system of shared wealth

Yes it is when you base taxes for the rich on the needs of the poor rather than what their fair share would be. A fair tax system wouldn't make the rich pay a higher % in taxes than the middle class.

it's not welfare for lazy asswipes who can't do shit for society, and it's not a tax funded charity.

Yes it is, a lot of people in the first world give up on working because they can live off welfare, why work 40 hours a week to earn a couple hundred bucks more than what you get from the state for not working?

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Or vote for the wealthy white man who puts you into debt slavery and uses your tax money to send your children to die in an unnecessary war.

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[–] bloopton 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Thank you, I don't know when conservative voters starting viewing the Democrats as the party of the wealthy (you know, the socialist, communist, redistribute-the-wealth wealthy).

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[–] bloopton 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You need to be downvoated. Downvoated to oblivion for your ignorant, fifth-grade level understanding of politics and political ideologies. And one extra downvoat for your random Soviet Russia comparison! I give you NO POINTS. GOOD DAY.

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[–] smokeu 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think you are really simplifying things. We need a balance. We won't go all the way communist. But we need things to change because it's really destroying my generation.

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