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[–] AKnightAlone 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

I am a liberal, but I'm wondering what another perspective would be. I absolutely don't agree with full libertarianism as far as business goes, but I'm very libertarian about social issues. But then there's poverty. I believe the harm caused by poverty far exceeds the minimal harm done through taxation, and is therefore essential to combat in a healthy society. If you have a child, take it near a cliff, and let it wander around near the edge, then it falls off and dies, would you think you should be considered a criminal?

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[–] vuke69 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

We've been trying the same approach to fight poverty for the last 50, throw money at it; and all we've gotten is more poverty, and so many organizations that have gotten filthy sinking rich. On average we spend $78,000 per family of four in poverty. Do you think they benefit by $78k worth? How about half that, or more likely a quarter of that?

So that's clearly not working, and the only solution from liberals is throw more money at the problem. Makes sense, since they're the ones getting rich in money and power through that failed solution, and they never risk accidentally solving the problem and killing that cash cow.

So what do everyone that have successfully escaped poverty have in common? Hard work, determination, and not listening to the race baiters that are telling them it's impossible. Keep the playing field level, and stay the fuck out of their way. Stop telling everyone that it's not only impossible to be successful, but shameful if you are. Starting a business and creating jobs is a good thing, not some great evil.

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[–] AKnightAlone 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

On average we spend $78,000 per family of four in poverty.

Which is why I've been arguing in favor of a basic income. We could throw out basically all types of welfare if we had a system to just automatically give everyone a certain minimum amount of money. Then they can use that money as a consumer and vote for products. If blacks weren't raised in a society that automatically throws them off a shitty cliff when they turn 18, I think they'd have the investment in life required to keep them as a motivated contributor to society. And they wouldn't get their basic income when they're in prison. And we know how much prison tends to cost taxpayers. Cut out the problem before it becomes a problem. Wouldn't need unemployment payments, wouldn't need food stamps, wouldn't need social security, vastly lowered criminal/legal costs. All goes into an automated basic income of like $12,000/yr, paid probably as $250 a week to remove the chance that a person could waste it all at once. A big factor of the idea is that it wouldn't require begging and it would be for everyone. So it would be a bit harder to shame the poor. Next time someone yells about the poor takers, they'd have to realize they themselves could simply quit and live off their $12,000. Most people wouldn't quit, of course, they'd just appreciate any extra money. And all of this is a lead-in for automation. We're about to start bleeding jobs rapidly.