Archived Two-thirds of Americans doubt the coronavirus death toll (axios.com)
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Archived Two-thirds of Americans doubt the coronavirus death toll (axios.com)
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[–] Beeboobipbop 3 points -2 points 1 point (+1|-3) ago
What incentive is there for front-line medical doctors to lie about death? They are not businessmen or politicians. They are people who spend their entire lives excelling at school to get into medical programs with 7% acceptance rates, 80% graduation rates, and purposefully keep out 2000 graduates a year from getting residencies (and licenses) to ensure you are getting the best healthcare possible. Why would they be interested in fabricating death if they spend their entire lives trying to save as many people as they can?
And before you go spouting off some murder cover-up, please understand that these are the 1% of academically accomplished people in the world. Medicine is continuously being peer reviewed by thousands of the smartest minds for accuracy, which is why saying HCQ is safe for this virus is not something they would say until it is scientifically proven.
Politicians have a reason to lie to you. They want the economy to come back so they can make more money (hence propping up miracle cures). Doctors carry no such bias. They would not risk their licenses to listen to politicians. Being a doctor isn't just a job to them; they literally eat, sleep, breath medicine. So if you don't want to believe the government, fine. But please believe the doctors when they say how serious this is.
[–] Moomoofarm 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
Doctors and nurses don’t have to be in on fudging numbers dumbass
Doctors just following protocol of the hospital and government bud, just like they are taught at School.
For instance a doctor is using a false positive test kit, they aren’t in on the conspiracy, Just a useful pawn. Tests are showing a fucking piece of fruit tests positive for coronavirus.
Plus we all know they are making tiktok vids and not actually doing shit
Read up on manhattan project. Of the People involved hardly anyone knew they were developing a nuke. Same concept at play, only trickle enough info to get the job done
[–] revised2 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Doctors have a reason now. See the federal monies set aside for facilities treating Covid-19 patients. As an aside, I have noticed the unrealistically high rates of infection are Liberal controlled areas, where it would make sense that most doctors are Liberals.
Before you go spouting off about murder cover up, reread my comment. I made it clear I do not think that is the case.. Although DeBlasio giving first responders DNR orders and sending people very ill with confirmed Covid-19 to nursing homes that have no quarantine facilities or training to deal with infectious disease could be construed by some.................
Your last paragraph betrays you as a Democrat hack. Your politicians are dedicated to extending this false flag bioterrorist attack shut down until the economy implodes because their hatred for Trump and their hatred for America makes them willing for millions to die in order to take America down in favor of their global government. Most who will die will not be from Covid19 but from the collapse of the infrastructure.
And you know, it is funny you say believe the doctors when every doctor that is not in lock step with the WHO and exposes just how phony this exercise is gets pulled from every platform.
BURN IN HELL NWO.
[–] Beeboobipbop 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
I actually don't vote. Your attitude towards me is why having a discussion is so difficult. I am trying to listen and your response is to insult me. I will try to be a Christian, forgive, and discuss your points if that's okay.
--You say doctors are motivated by money. Hospital doctors are salaried regardless of their patient numbers. High rates of infection were common in areas with high risk of spread, ie Washington state nursing homes, New Orleans and Mardi Gras, New York and their population density. More people crowded equals more people sick. Look at Louisiana's (voted Trump 58%) #s now on worldometers. Active cases are down from 24,000 to 8000 after stay at home orders for 1.5 months. Furthermore, most doctors are not liberals. They are actually conservatives since they believe government shouldn't be involved in medicine; they prefer less regulation and more tax cuts to benefit their lifestyles. Your argument that doctors are liberals make no sense other than they have doctors in liberal cities (because that's where their patients live).
-- I agree this response has been botched by many politicians. I just don't think doctors are the problem. Like I said before, they train to save your life. If you don't believe that then why has the average life expectancy risen from 45 years old in 1920 to 75 years old today?
-- As I said before, I actually don't vote but I have supported Republicans my entire life (Louisiana and Texas bred). If I understand this bioterrrorist attack correctly, China infected their own people first, locked down their entire country for months, killed thousands of their own knowing that this would spread to the US and do worse damage? Why wouldn't they just infect us and say it started there? Or are you saying the US infected China, Italy, etc then their own people last? If you could explain this further I could understand what you're trying to say. My point would be that this is another of many random viruses or diseases that sprouted up through history (SARS, Ebola, Spanish flu, Bubonic Plague, etc). Doctors did the best they could back then and they're doing the best they can now.
--I said you should believe the doctors who actually deal with the virus. The reason I even felt compelled to reply is because 1) I know doctors who have seen this first-hand and clinically had to treat it and 2) I know people who have gotten it first-hand and how serious it is. Get a room of 100 people and there will never be total agreement on any topic.
I hope the points I laid out show to you that I am not a Democrat (I don't think I made a liberal point in there?). I'm also not where you are. However, this is a dark time of fear, anxiety, and strong emotions. We do share that as Americans. If you want to talk more about it, I am open to being your friend.
--I also wanted to reply to the person from earlier as well. So is the government that is run by Trump giving false positive kits? Or there is a shadow government that he can't stop from spreading it around?
I will give you another scenario: as this is a new virus, testing kits are all over the place on accuracy. That's the best they can do at the moment. These tests are also peer reviewed for accuracy and there are many researchers and doctors who say the tests have some unreliability "A Cautionary Tale of False-Negative Nasopharyngeal COVID-19 Testing." by
Bullis SSM, Crothers JW, Wayne S, Hale AJ. Doctors are not lemmings that come into a 9-5 and punch out. They also do not believe the testing parameters and capabilities are up to standard. So while you do make a good point of false negatives and positives on the tests, that's a well documented by-product of the resources we have, not a conspiracy. For example, people get misdiagnosed with cancer all the time and those tests have been around for decades. That is not a conspiracy, that's a limitation of the test. That explanation doesn't sound overly thrilling, but there are a lot of medical papers on pubmed (scientific journals, not politics based) that provide the basis for how doctors practice medicine to save lives.