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[–] newoldwave 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

If anyone can steal a patent or copyright, what will happen to creativity? Who will bother if they would get anything for their efforts? TPP is a very bad idea.

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[–] smeezekitty 4 points 1 points (+5|-4) ago 

If anyone can steal a patent or copyright, what will happen to creativity

We people were more free to work with patented or copyrighted content, I am guessing creativity would go UP

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Um, what? I'm also a software developer and corporations being allowed to steal your work will not make creativity go "up". What a completely fucking retarded thing to say.

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[–] newoldwave 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

and the creator gets nothing? Then who will bother creating anything?

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Copyleft licenses that force derivitave works to share the same or more liberal license will be devastated.

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[–] Rummell 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

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[–] 1582238? 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

/v/TPPrally

We need to spread awareness and hopefully put a stop to this.

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[–] swordsusa 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm very confused by this. What is your argument and how is it related to this?

Are you saying that live, webcam debates are better than forums? I suppose that's understandable but it's far less convenient for things like this...I guess both have their place?

How is this relevant to the TPP deal?

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[–] canbot 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Patents are important, but they need more limits. We need to stop patent trolls and limit the duration of these patents. Lifetime + 100 years is just rediculous.

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[–] Avnomke 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Honestly, 20 years is more than enough time.

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[–] Jpaul199 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Lifetime is more than enough time. There is literally no possible incentive to invent more things once you are dead.

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[–] PhKGn00bE 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Fuck the TPP. Practically no sensible members of the public are in favor of it, and again again this shit gets crammed down our throats. We don't fucking want this crap! Vote Bernie Sanders!

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[–] BlackBaron 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

For anyone thinking that this will help keep companies from patent mongering with the stipulations about misconduct, or inequitability. One must remember that under the law these things can and will be used against the little guy and the larger corps can arbitrarily halt any sort of legal process if they are in the wrong (or at the very least drag it on for years). Cash is always king.

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[–] asmodea [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Off the top of my head - I believe it means that a pharmaceutical can claim exclusive ownership of a drug that cures a disease because they ostensibly paid for the R&D to make it. They then make it so no generics can be made, setting their own exorbitant prices and keeping it out of the hands of normal people who couldn't possibly afford it out-of-pocket. So - my friend who was diagnosed with HIV last year was put on a drug by his doctor, which he is told is his only hope - and it costs 35,000 a YEAR. The very idea of that makes me vomit. No way does it cost that but they hold the patent, and so they hold it hostage against people who can't pay that.

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[–] LittleBobbyTables 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Agreed. I was diagnosed with sever Rheumatoid Arthritis at age 26. Doctor was bought and paid for clearly by the pharma companies - he wanted to dish out meds like they were nothing and had little to no care regarding my concerns over side-effects. One of those drugs was Enbrel, a shot I had to self-administer once a week. Side effects were atrocious in both long and short term (77 fold increased risk of Lymphoma; extreme higher risk of developing Tuberculosis, Hepatitis, Nervous System Disorders; Extreme risk of bacterial, viral, fungal infections with complications; known migraine triggering for which I already had a tendency toward migraines to begin with). The cost of those shots ... $29,000 (US) a year. If I were in my 60's+, maybe those side effects risks would be worth it compared to benefits, but I was pretty young to tempt fate on that shit. After trying it for some time I outright stopped and found a new Rheumatologist who actually listened to my concerns, especially since I noticed (and others around me noticed) that I was having noticeable nervous system effects (twitchiness, shakiness) and paleness. Fuck big pharma.

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[–] asmodea [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They're trying to break the system with the TPP, not fix it, but it seems to me that if they're going to play this R&D game, then there has to be a reckoning, and a line-by-line listing of what the R&D cost, and then a cutoff point after they recoup their costs where the law says it's open to going generic. Pharmaceuticals literally make billions from these drugs and there's no way that they spent even a percentage of 1% to develop them.

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[–] lailaha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That wouldn't work, a good majority of research goes nowhere which is then subsidized by the price of other productive / successful drugs.

I think the key is probably moving away from the big pharma funding model and instead fund the research with taxpayer funding using colleges and universities.

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[–] Tsugumori 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Research results are heavily protected. Someone can't use someone else's research to make a new drug without paying the original researchers.

If you make a drug that cures stomach cancer I can't adapt it to be a drug that cures lung cancer even if you can't do it yourself.

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[–] DrownedFire 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The initial speculation is that this will keep companies from patent-whoring.

The probable reality will be that it will allow big corporations more opportunity to abuse the smaller ones.

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[–] CoLeon0 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

TPP is only going to be a nuisance. Deep down, we all know this. All you hear about it is how it's negative, because that's basically all it is.

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[–] makaw 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

I'm not an expert but this seems like a pretty good idea:

A party may also provide that fraud misrepresentation, inequitable conduct may be the basis for cancelling, revoking or nullifying a patent.

They also include: "anti-competitive" or "abusive" behavior. Mind you it's not mandatory that these nations pass this law. They "may" pass it. The US and Japan are the hold-outs. Shocker.

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[–] asmodea [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't think you have a handle on this situation. The US is driving though a deal it knows is completely evil on many very deep fronts to make a mind-numbing amount of personal money and basically make the entire world its peasant class through copyright, surveillance, labor laws and corporate sovereignty, among other things. The words are meaningless and written to obfuscate. The people of the affected nations aren't being given a choice, these meetings are top secret and the only reason we have them is Wikileaks. I think you should read up on this before you go rolling eyeballs.

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[–] makaw 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wow I think you and everyone else completely misunderstood my comment. I'm assuming you may not have read the whole article either hence the lack of context. As I said the line in the treaty that the US disagrees with is a good idea. Not the treaty itself. That's the whole point of the article!!

A) Yes I read every article on these things thoroughly and I've followed all versions of this BS and ilk like it for the past 6 or 7 years.

B) Yes that's what I'm saying. The provision is entirely reasonable in that it limits patent trolls. While the treaty is bad, Patent trolls are also bad. If this thing passes it would be nice if international norms like loose copyright and patent controls are adopted in America. The "may" language implies that the US probably wouldn't even adopt it yet that's not their fear it's that other countries would liberally adopt it violating the smaller treaties that we bullied each of them into.

Finally my PSA: Please people stop with the uneducated anti-treaty brigades. Yes the TPP is bad but be knowledgable on why. Not just buzz words. Read the articles. Do more than skim a wiki page on the issue.