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[–] insert_name 6 points 207 points (+213|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, it's called getting a baby-boomer judge, who still thinks the internet is this thing "wippersnapper techy wizkids" use to spread blasphamy about God or someshitlikethat.

If you get convicted of anything to do with technology, you just hope you don't get a judge over 50, or you basically might as well just plead guilty.

When a 50+ judge sees the charges, and it involves the word "computer", you're fucked.

EDIT: I mean check out what the judge says:

"That seems to be part of our culture now," he said, according to a transcript. "Meet, have sex, hook up, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever,"

I mean, wut? Basically the judge has got no game/is totally out of touch with current reality, and so needlessly ruins a 19yo guy's life.

Seems legit for the US I suppose.

EDIT: He's being evaluated for a retrial guys!! Link is here for the news article. The bad thing is he will be evaluated for a retrial by the same fucked-up judge who gave him the absolutely stupid sentence before.

I can't see the judge accepting though. I mean, he knows that if he accepts, the new judge of the retrial will obviously point out what an unprofessional, and illegal, judge he has been, and so won't accept to protect his career.

Still, it's better than nothing, I suppose.

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[–] Beers 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There's plenty of old judges who make high quality rulings. You just don't hear about them.

Right now, it looks like you have a "reactionary" opinion on this subject. You read the news, you see old judges and questionable rulings, you form an opinion. Unfortunately, not everything makes the news. In fact, most judge work is completely boring and if your opinion is only based on news, you'll never consider the boring rulings, only the ridiculous ones. I think it's needless to say that if you only consider ridiculous evidence in your opinion, you'll likely end up with a ridiculous opinion.

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[–] SecureRhino 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Why? Not all old people are technophobic and unable to go with the times. And even if that was the case, there are plenty of other cases where a judge with decades of experience is a great thing.

I don't see how a general rule against old judges is justifyable. It should be decided on a case-by-case basis when appointing/electing a judge every few years (which, I understand is already the current procedure in the US?)

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[–] HomerSimpson 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Can''t you appeal a judge's decision? Or no?

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[–] cp10h 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah I believe it can go to appellate court next... I may be wrong my brother is the lawyer not me

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[–] GoogleKnowsBest 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

Still a giant waste of everyones time and tax dollars? Or no?

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It won't be hard to prove the judge's bias. So not a fair trial I'd say.

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[–] insert_name 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wouldn't that cost a lot of money? Therefore he'd be entrapped by the money-ceiling of the legal system.

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[–] SSanf_1 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

As a 71 year old, I deeply resent your ageist post. Old people, such as myself, are no more all alike or hold the same views than are young people. How would it be if you had said the same about some judge who makes poor decisions because they are black or because they are Mexican? Would you feel your bigotry was fair then? How can we get it through your head that old people are simply people prone to the exact same peculiarities both good and bad as everyone else? You don't become a distinct kind of bigot or ignoramus just because you age. And, obviously, from your post, being young does not mean you aren't one.

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[–] Wyandotty 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I very much agree with you. I am relatively young, but work with multiple older people who use computers competently every day and, here's the big surprise, often know things that I don't. Not necessarily about computers, but there are, in fact, multiple fields of knowledge in this world and I tap my 50+ coworkers every day for their experience. Honestly this seems like such a trite statement - it's shouldn't even have to be said that elders have value.

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[–] insert_name 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago  (edited ago)

You clearly don't understand the importances of a judge. See, as a judge, you have the ability to effectively end someone's life, either by execution or by wrecking any chances of them having a normal, happy life.

So these "peculiarities both good and bad as everyone else" which you speak of, should not exist in a court of law.

So, I'm not being a bigot. What I'm saying is pretty clear. Ideologies, either generational such as in this case, or ethnic such as in your little analogy, should not exist in a court of law.

Sorry but you've not gotten the whole point of the post here. I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't actually read much of, if any, of the actual OP.

And by the way, you can become a bigot because of your age. People who have grown up without the internet are fundamentally different than those who did. And because of that, there can be conflicts between those two types of people. If you dispute that, which by the way is the crux of my post, then there is nothing else to really discuss until you re-evaluate your own views on the matter.

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[–] curomo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

what's messed up is that he's acknowledging this "part of our culture now", which should mean and automatic not guilt, or more accurately "no crime committed".

our laws should be for aberrations or deviant behaviors, not normal parts of our culture.

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[–] UlfuricAcid 1 points 113 points (+114|-1) ago 

Ted Rodarm, who served prison time for molestation, says teens such as Zach don't belong on the same registry as sex offenders like him. Rodarm, who is now a part of a ministry for sex offenders, adds "the registry has become so diluted that you can't identify the truly dangerous, and that in itself is dangerous."

Strange how the voice of reason comes from some random fucking molester and not the judge.

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[–] Zodi 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

He's right. I looked up the sex offender list in my neighborhood (I live in suburbs, few miles away from downtown)

There's like 300. All of them are old people who look deranged.

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[–] Vheissu_ 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It is the same with any kind of registry/list. The same goes for the do-not-fly list which was meant to stop terrorists from getting on planes, but it was abused so badly people from suburbia were being added onto the DNF list (sometimes without even knowing it). When there is lack of oversight on decisions like this, lives can be ruined. This will definitely impact the guys job prospects, especially if the job involves working near children or a school. Hopefully he gets the decision overturned because it sounds like the judge made the wrong call here.

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[–] JimmyJimRyan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's like the no fly list. Terrorist, Journalist, Someone who got drunk on a flight. Someone with an "ethic" name.

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[–] voatforgoat 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Whilst that's true, and the law is without a doubt intrinsically wrong and drastically needs to be changed, it's not entirely the judge's fault; his interpretation of the technology was wrong but the issue was that his defence was not acceptable by the law, and the fact is that, according to the current law regarding his case, the defendant was guilty. It's the law that needs changing far more drastically

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[–] something_went_wrong 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I fail to see where law came into play when the judge made his decision:

"That seems to be part of our culture now," [Judge Dennis Wiley] said, according to a transcript. "Meet, have sex, hook up, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever,"

It should be a clear case where defendant was defrauded, which should have been an adequate defense. But the judge ignored that and made a conscious decision to to effectively persecute the defendant.

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[–] Cooli-OH 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Signed! Thanks for posting this

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[–] Draugo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm actually a little saddened that there hasn't been really that many new signatures even though Neil Patric Harris tweeted about the petition. Not that the petition will have any effect on anything, but still I'd think that at least a couple of hundred thousand people from his 17m followers would have signed.

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[–] V-sync 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Our next petition needs to be getting that asshat judge fired.

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[–] Nrune 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Signed

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[–] Unique_Username 2 points 46 points (+48|-2) ago 

Way to harsh, not being able to use the internet is a modern day death sentence. I can't imagine what this guy is going through.

Its not the first time something like this has happened though. I knew of someone who whacked with a statutory rape case after he hooked up with a girl from a nightclub who used a fake ID to get in.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Germany's doors are wide open to foreign students: free tuition for everyone. Come on over and say goodbye to the United States of Prison.

That is, if they can overlook his criminal status due to the nature of the case.

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[–] CallMeBigPapaya 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

The kid will probably kill himself if his appeals take long enough.

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[–] Draugo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I would.

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[–] greatwhiteshark 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Is this even legal for the Judge to order? While I'm not intimately familiar with the legalese behind the FCC ruling regarding the internet, I was under impression it is now considered a public utility. A judge can't ban someone from using public water or electricity, so how is any of this remotely feasible?

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[–] dr3 2 points 52 points (+54|-2) ago 

The judge is old and doesn't agree with hook up culture. Unfortunately the kid is paying the price. IIRC it's not the first time this judge has taken this posture.

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[–] 1smartass 0 points 44 points (+44|-0) ago 

He definitely has no business being a judge, that's for sure.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 41 points (+41|-0) ago 

Not agreeing with "hook up culture" is fine. I can't fault him for that. But for fuck sake, keep your personal opinions out of the court room. He irreversibly damaged the kids life because somebody else lied. He should be removed as a judge

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[–] Astromachine 4 points 13 points (+17|-4) ago 

That's an awfully large leap of logic there. The judge is an old white dude with a 70's mustache. http://www.berriencounty.org/Courts/HonDennisMWiley

He most likely did it because he is a conservative.

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[–] 1smartass 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I know plenty of closed minded deeply religious old fogies that lean hard left on most political issues.

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[–] mscomies 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

That's a molestache if I ever saw one.

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[–] NewYorkMos 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ron Swanson as a judge

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[–] LazarusLong 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

He was actually untra conservative.

Its funny how the SJW movement has horseshoed so far we literally can't tell the difference though.

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[–] Al_Rubyx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The exact opposite actually. Isn't t weird how you can't tell the difference?

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[–] Lullabyt 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Folks. This isn't the first time Judge Dennis Wiley has acted like a fuck. He's got a laundry list of shit just like this. Check his history. The guy is a fucking scumbag.

You want to affect change in this country, holding assholes like this accountable is a good start. Fuck this guy.

Here is Berrien County's Facebook page. Here is their number: (269) 983-7111 Here is another way to contact them.

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[–] gindc 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

The judge in this case ruled too harshly. He should have forced the couple to get married and made the guy a war hero.

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[–] voat-simulator 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

What's this a reference to?

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[–] Saufsoldat 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

The bible.

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[–] Macnewbie 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

50 shekels seems fair. What's the going rate for a shekel anyway?

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[–] SSanf_1 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

In US dollars, a shekel is about 25 cents. Women were pretty cheap.

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[–] SecureRhino 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

50 of today's Israeli Shekel are about USD 13.20 (source)

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[–] Hippopastamus 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

sigh. about 5 Schrute Bucks.

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[–] LaZyLion_Ca 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I dunno. Malia Obama is worth 50 cows, 70 sheep and 30 goats.

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[–] ChadPUA 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Judge is just butthurt he can't find anyone on the internet to have sex with.

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