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[–] Malphius 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Thanks for perfectly illustrating exactly what I said. The problem IS the people that vote and that you'd rather vote for a criminal like HRC when you don't want to is troubling. The American people have largely accepted that they will either vote D or R even though they have other options. Once the establishment knows that, they can nominate anyone they want as the candidate knowing they'll get very little push back.

Enough people believe that there needs to be alternative parties that they could ACTUALLY elect one (per Gallup. Source below), but again people have bought into this false narrative that they will be tossing their vote away. Even if your candidate doesn't win you will be building and strengthening an opposing or alternative political machine. The only thing that's a waste, is voting for someone you don't like or agree with. That's what really throwing away your vote looks like.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165392/perceived-need-third-party-reaches-new-high.aspx

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[–] rednirug 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

But the thing is, your vote that is going into a statistic that will show a third party is gaining traction will not matter. The rise of the two party system it NOT an outcome of the political climate in america, it will ALWAYS arise in a first past the post voting system. The worst thing about third parties in a first past the post system is that the party that is radically different from the other parties is the one that gets an advantage. Say a third party gets popular that is pretty similar to the Democrats. And say, in this example election, without that third party Democrats would win 55/45. But, the third party will only take votes from the Democrats, since it is more similar to the Democrats, causing the new election to be 15% third party, 40% Democrat, and 45% Republican, now causing the Republicans to win even though most of the population wants something closer to the Democratic Party. A much better explaination of this can be shown in this CGP grey video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo. For this reason, I'm never voting for a third party, and I don't want a third party to ever get popular because it will disadvantage the other political party that it is most similar to. The only way to solve this issue would be to institute a new voting system.

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[–] BrianFellow 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The rise of the two party system it NOT an outcome of the political climate in america, it will ALWAYS arise in a first past the post voting system.

True.

I don't want a third party to ever get popular because it will disadvantage the other political party that it is most similar to.

Your mistake here is in thinking that a Democratic party headed by Hilary Clinton and the Republican party with any leadership (save for maybe Rand Paul, not that I agree with him either) are significantly different at all. You might as well vote for a third party in that case, flawed system though it is.

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[–] shirtlords 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago  (edited ago)

a criminal

Found the teatard operative folks.

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[–] Malphius 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

If you say so. You need to work on your powers of observation or take your adderall. Your imagination is getting carried away.