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[–] Malphius 1 points 61 points (+62|-1) ago 

That's because the American people are completely complicit every election in selling out their values to the 2 party system. Politicians don't have integrity but neither do the voters that put them in office. "D? Got my vote. I don't wanna throw my vote away." and "R? Got my vote. Better than letting a democrat get in office." This flawed line of thinking and enable-ism is what's led to our decline as a society. We the people are the source of the problem for not demanding better. For not voting better. How many liberals still support Hillary? How many don't but would still vote for her if she's the nominee? If you're the later, you're the problem.

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[–] Doomking_Grimlock 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

True enough that it stings, man, True enough.

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[–] RaxSnax 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Ignorance is the Achilles heel of democracy unfortunately.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Yet the two parties are both in control over our education system. Rather than choose to fix it, they prefer it produce uneducated worker bees.

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[–] Oknatora 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Lets be honest here... No one is voting for Hillary ^-^

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[–] rednirug 4 points 1 points (+5|-4) ago 

It isn't a problem of people on an individual level. Lets say the two main party nominees turn out to be Trump and Hilary (I really hope that doesn't happen). I don't really like either, and maybe I like a third party candidate better, but I'm sure as shit not going to throw my vote away with the third party candidate when I know with 100% certainty that that candidate has no chance at winning and my vote will not matter if I vote for a third party. I'm going to vote for Hilary because my vote will actually matter then, and I don't even want to think about what would happen if Trump took office. The problem is not the people who vote, its a problem with the first past the post voting systems which there are many much better alternatives to.

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[–] Malphius 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Thanks for perfectly illustrating exactly what I said. The problem IS the people that vote and that you'd rather vote for a criminal like HRC when you don't want to is troubling. The American people have largely accepted that they will either vote D or R even though they have other options. Once the establishment knows that, they can nominate anyone they want as the candidate knowing they'll get very little push back.

Enough people believe that there needs to be alternative parties that they could ACTUALLY elect one (per Gallup. Source below), but again people have bought into this false narrative that they will be tossing their vote away. Even if your candidate doesn't win you will be building and strengthening an opposing or alternative political machine. The only thing that's a waste, is voting for someone you don't like or agree with. That's what really throwing away your vote looks like.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165392/perceived-need-third-party-reaches-new-high.aspx

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

and maybe I like a third party candidate better, but I'm sure as shit not going to throw my vote away with the third party candidate when I know with 100% certainty that that candidate has no chance at winning and my vote will not matter if I vote for a third party.

You're an idiot. Voting for Hillary or Trump when you know they're going to oppress you just because you don't think enough other people will go along voting for the other guy... That's the dumbest fucking move you can possibly make when it comes to voting. Instead of risking not picking the winner, you're going to willfully vote to oppress yourself? How stupid are you!? Elections aren't like betting on a horse, elections aren't like buying a lottery ticket. When your candidate loses, you're stuck with some asshole like Trump or Clinton. Are you seriously attempting to justify voting to lose every election on purpose? Why are you throwing your vote away, and I mean actually throwing your vote away against your own interests?

Let's assume a winning majority of voters feel exactly the same way you do. About the candidates, about voting for anyone except (D) or (R). If you idiots stopped voting like that you'd pick a winning third party candidate every time.