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[–] TimeLoopedPowerGamer 1 points 89 points (+90|-1) ago 

Maybe it's time to stop saying people are crazy conspiracy theorists for suggesting the existence of monstrously invasive technological programs run by governments. Because time and time again, at least in the communications and IT field, they are being proven to be at least as bad as the worst ravings of privacy rights advocates.

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[–] ClairityDX 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

But if you're such an upstanding citizen, you have nothing to hide! What's that, you say the government can use innocuous information to discredit you completely? They would never do that! Oh, they have? Well, they only do that to terrorists in the Middle East, they would never do that to me!

It's such a cliche thing to say, but it's time to wake up and smell the fucking ashes. The government can't be trusted and we need to be out in the streets demanding, day in and day out, for it to stop.

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[–] Iron_softies 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

What does it even mean to be out in the streets demanding change? Protesting? I can't believe people still think that kind of action works against a system that has this kind of power.

What if we just stepped away from the system and stopped legitimizing and depending on it? Do we really need government to provide us with "safe" fiat currencies and roads in exchange for them to be able to use our own money to fund mass spy operations and wars?

Technologies and communities are here which will make organizing a civil society non-centralized, competitive, and voluntary, if we support them.

  • Use Bitcoin or some other crytocurrency.
  • Support the Seasteading Institute, the Free State Project or Liberland.
  • Support Bitnation.
  • Use encryption tech.
  • Stop supporting companies who want to take away your rights (any and all who supported the TPP).
  • Learn about the Non-Aggression principle and share it with others.
  • Go to Libertopia, Freedomfest, or other liberty events and mingle. Learn about what ideas they have to dismantle the current system and/or organize society in a more peaceful and voluntary fashion.
  • Stop believing you can change the system from within it by simply protesting. The people in power are expecting civil unrest and laughing at people who think it is effective. They are ready to react with violent force (that is why the police in the US are being militarized).

Centralized government with fair and universal representation is dead and gone. Some would say it never existed in the first place.

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[–] Fambida 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Oh honey, imagining that protesting does anything is naive as shit. Vote with a bullet. It's the only vote that counts.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/17459-att-tech-blew-the-whistle-on-nsa-spying-in-2006

We've known since at least 2006 that our government

FIBER SPLITS INTERNET BACKBONES

I'll never understand why people don't get more pissed off or how any of the "conspiracy theory" marginalization sticks at all anymore in matters of surveillance. I think a lot of it is rooted in the flawed idea that they can't monitor everything because it would take too many people.

People just can't conceive of how invasive you can make computers get when you feed them that much information. They don't have to watch everything you do 24/7 to be invasive, they just have to record it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/edward-snowdens-other-motive-for-leaking/370068/

Encryption is the only real tool we have as peons to protect ourselves from the invasiveness of government, and they are now trying to marginalize and destroy this defensive capability of the citizenry as well.

Politics are pointless, but we need to fight efforts to criminalize encryption with everything we've got. Encryption needs to reach critical mass adoption if we're ever gonna dig ourselves out of this mess.

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[–] VillaLopez 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Where do you think they get the ideas from? Some of them are simply fantastic, and they hear that and are all like, "Yeah, let's fucking do it!"

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[–] Ladderjack 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

Aubrey and I were arrested on suspicion of possessing unauthorized information.

Just the idea that this can happen gives me chills. I don't want to live in the world where this happens.

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[–] donkeyqong 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Time to buy a shotgun with toe trigger if you are serious about that. It appears we are living in the world where that happens.

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[–] helmetbox 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Nice Number two

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That happened in the 70's. :(

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[–] JakeGittes 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

"While sitting inside Building 36D at Menwith Hill Station, Newsham had been invited to listen on headphones to a live call from inside the U.S. Senate. She recognized the voice of Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond, and immediately realized the NSA had gone off track. The way ECHELON had been designed, she said, demonstrated the targeting of U.S. political figures was not an accident."

Congress is 100% controlled.

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[–] VillaLopez 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Sounds about right.

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[–] Scine 9 points 16 points (+25|-9) ago 

See, this is exactly the reason why I'm torn on Snowden. If it was used to spy on Americans, then he did a good thing. If it's used to spy on foreign governments, which is the whole reason for the NSA to exist, then he's a criminal.

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[–] WillIamT 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

I don't know why you got downvoated, you have a legitimate stance. I'm still glad he let the world know because I value freedom in my own country more than my countries intelligence on others.

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[–] blackhawks-fan 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

I'm with you on your opinion of Snowden. I was ready for him to be shot at dawn for his treasonous acts when he first got caught. Now, I'm not so sure that my knee jerk reaction was the right one.

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[–] Skeletor 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I was the same for the 1st month or so. Then I started reading about what he was leaking. Now i see him as a borderline hero.

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[–] revsta 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That is not the NSA. That is the CIA. The NSA are the ones who have been spying on American citizens.

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[–] markowalski 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Wow this is freaky. I wish I could move to another planet.

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[–] ninjai 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Yeah! A planet with no spying and you just ride your dirt bike everywhere and drink beer.

Sounds good to me.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Dont forget the blackjack and hookers

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[–] Fox_Tango 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

perhaps Elon Musk's reason all along. I wonder what kind of government encounter he had during his time at pay pal.

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[–] SeeToo 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's weird that this discovery is being attributed to just this one guy. (Edward Snowden)

  I read a .pdf a few years back by someone named Nicky Hager, Secret Powers

http://www.nickyhager.info/Secret_Power.pdf

Someone can probably one up me with something before 1996 as well.

I'm sure it's easier to do damage control when there's only one personality to attack.

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[–] SeeToo 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Makes me feel better that just 1 other person has seen this. Felt like I was going crazy or in a different timeline or something.

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[–] blackhawks-fan 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The first time I heard about this was sometime in the mid-late 90's on some conspiracy right wing(nut) radio show. Conspiracy theorists haven't stopped talking about ECHELON for 20+ years. Unfortunately "normal" people just assume if people like Chuck Harder, Art Bell, Alex Jones or a host of lesser known people mention things like this they dismiss it as conspiracy. Same the clipper chip, the full scope of the Patriot Act, Jade Helm and several programs/projects. I realize when these "conspiracy" folks learn about some nefarious program and try to alert the public they come across as crazy an apocalyptic in their presentation and of course their stories have zero chance of making it to the mainstream media but that doesn't make what they are saying untrue.

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[–] acidburn 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's the conspiracy lifecycle. "You're crazy. You're crazy. You're crazy. You're crazy. Yeah, this is old news. Sucks, but what can you do?"

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