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[–] ScreaminMime 4 points 16 points (+20|-4) ago 

We have ALL KINDS of Copsuckers here in Dayton, they made the same excuses when cops barged in a WallyWorld and gunned down a kid playing with a BB gun.

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[–] LardOn4Bacon 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

That was a grown man with a family. Unless they fucked up someone else.

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[–] snurfle [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I remember that - that was out by the Fairfield Mall iirc.

To be fair, the cops then were responding to a 911 caller who said the kid was "threatening people with a gun," and that "he is loading it right now!"

Not saying it excuses "shoot first, lie later" but the 911 caller should be slapped around, too!

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[–] grendelbiter 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Copsuckers<---I'm stealing this.

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[–] Eighchops 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I have to politely disagree. Everyone I had talked to about the WallyWorld shooting said it was fucked. Including my one and only friend who is a cop and my many firefighter cousins who almost always are cop apologists. Even some of my slightly prejudiced co-workers said that shit was murder.

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

They dismiss multiple witness statements right out of hand to shoehorn a defense motive to this murder. The guy was shot IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD!

It's like the trial of Jack McCall all over again.

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[–] RunsWithScissors 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

premeditation

Definitely. Conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and first degree murder.

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[–] deathcomesilent 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

All those online news sites have full time shills working the comments. NO ONE is actually okay with murder except the cops that are still paying this American traitor.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 3 points 34 points (+37|-3) ago 

"Maybe if people would stop fighting cops they wouldn't have to do that!"

@biohazard

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[–] Rpxtoreador 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I thought literally that's true. Don't cops get taught that feeling a threat means you can murder a civilian ?

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[–] AlkaiserSoze 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

I don't know why people bother engaging Biohazard. He's a verified LEO that mods /v/protectandserve. He generally doesn't present reasonable arguments but instead just insults people who disagree with him. Then he and Clayton just cry about their sub being brigaded. Gee, I wonder why someone would do that? If he wasn't a verified LEO, I'd assume he was a 15 year old boy with an ego. Note, that isn't meant to be an insult, just a personal observation.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The political wind has turned on him and his kind, it's only a matter of time until the entire racket starts to crumble. He should laugh it up while he still can.

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Oh, that makes sense. He's been arguing with me about how the cop's life was in danger and the motorist was threatening him with a gun. Now I understand why.

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[–] RedSocks157 2 points 27 points (+29|-2) ago 

Holy shit. That's premeditated murder. How the fuck is this guy on paid leave?

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[–] dissmani 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago 

Simply put. They have to determine if this is a legitimate shooting or not. If the officers were correct and the person pointed a gun at them before fleeing, they will likely be exonerated. The reason is that Tennessee v. Garner states that "such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." If he brandished a gun at the cops, as is alleged, they have a fairly solid argument that he was a significant threat to others.

The article raises more questions than it answers. It's not clear from the article that the officers ever turned the dashcam on. If the situation didn't call for the to use the emergency lights (the were responding to a traffic accident, it may not have been an emergency that would allow them to use the lights) and it's not programmed to start once the door opened (or they were outside the car for longer than the post-door opening record period) it wouldn't have started. Unless they actually tampered with the dashcam, it's likely not evidence of premeditation.

If you put someone on an unpaid leave, it's a punishment... and if the officer is cleared, they have a legal problem. The employer is the government and the government is punishing someone with essentially no due process. Even if the officer got back pay if and when cleared, it wouldn't take most people too long to go upside down on bills. At that point, you've caused actual damage to them, that would not be fixed by only giving them back-pay.

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

At that point, you've caused actual damage to them

At least they didn't get shot in the back of the head.

He shot and killed a man and is getting paid vacation for it. If I fuck up at my job, does my boss think twice about firing me? Why should the government have to give him paid vacation in a situation that is actually worse? It's about time the police started being held accountable for the shit they're doing. He should be tried for murder. If the evidence finds him not guilty then that will be the end of it.

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[–] Klaxon 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

"If you put someone on an unpaid leave, it's a punishment... and if the officer is cleared, they have a legal problem."

You mean, like when someone sits in jail for years awaiting trial because they can't afford bail? Why should the police be treated better than the rest of us?

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[–] LaserOstriches 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Every traffic accident I've ever seen had a police cruiser with it's lights flashing. Just saying...

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[–] Sorahzahd 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

TL;DR Cops should get rewarded for breaking the law.

You can try to couch it in whatever language you want to make it seem like it's reasonable, but that's what you're advocating and that's the net result.

Cop who wants a vacay? Just run outside and murder the first person he sees, boom, paid vacation, no consequences, maybe even a raise and worker's comp if the person manages to bleed on you.

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[–] JesTheRed 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This subset of evil cops seem like they're trying to squeeze in a few final murders before the heat comes down and they can no longer do what they love.

The good news is that at the end of this period we should have an awesome coast-to-coast police force. We just gotta let video finish this cull.

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[–] teh_jombi 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

The dashcam wasn't turned off, it was just never turned on. It boils down to the cops not putting their lights on, because everything else is automatic once the lights come on.

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[–] firakasha 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Well, that's a massive problem. If police forces have enough money to buy warehouses full of military surplus, they should be obligated to spend some of that money on putting enough film in their dashcams that they are recording continuously whenever the cruiser is off the lot.

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[–] teh_jombi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well, its a different problem than that. The cost of housing that much data is far more expensive than buying surplus military gear that they get at a discount. And how do you determine the length of time to hold footage?

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[–] wild_injun 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If the pistol in the photo is the alleged pistol held by the victim, the photo raises questions. The pistol is an FN Herstal 5.7mm. This is a 1200 to 1500 dollar pistol and the ammo is both hard to find and expensive. I can not say whether this young man could afford such a firearm and feed it ammo but it is not the usual pistol found on the person of youthful, gun toting, ill-intentioned individuals.

I agree, by leaving the over-head lights off and thus the dash cam this could be considered premeditated murder on top of everything else going on after the killing.

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[–] ruptured_pomposity 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They did not say if he was legally carrying the weapon, though it would contradict their attempts to call him a felon. He may not have been a down and out hard luck case. There is no video to prove he did not get shot then they found the gun on him. That is one of the reasons I don't carry a gun (besides being too quick to defend yourself with reason, and depending on a weapon you can't always carry); if I get killed by a cop, it is an automatic get out of jail free card for the cop. I have no problem with other people having guns, but I'd rather train my hands and trust in skill that goes with me everywhere.

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[–] battletoad 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

From a previous article, it looks like this guy had some priors, so no way this guy was able to get a gun legally. My guess is it's probably stolen or bought off of a junkie desperate to make a quick buck.

http://wdtn.com/2015/07/23/coroner-ids-man-shot-by-deputies/

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[–] snurfle [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The suspicious thing in all of this is that he was in court once for felony drug possession, which was dismissed. No conviction.

Not saying he was a saint at all (and obviously he had quite a rap sheet), but why was the sheriff telling the paper, tv, and radio that he was a convicted felon?

Sounds like an attempt to make it sound as though it was illegal for him to have a gun at all.

If it was a clean shoot, then why the need to manipulate the facts?

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[–] Biohazard 8 points 5 points (+13|-8) ago 

If they didn't turn the lights on, then no camera. My dept cameras come on when the doors open as well but that just changed a few years ago.

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[–] wuzizname 6 points 10 points (+16|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Would you be interested in doing an AMA? I'll start:

How many black people have you murdered while on the job?

When you lie for another cop and say the citizen he just beat the shit out of was "resisting", does he "owe you one" for the next time you beat the shit out of someone for no good legal reason?

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[–] YikYak 8 points 2 points (+10|-8) ago  (edited ago)

Ah now it makes sense! You ARE one of them! Can I tag you as "little piggy"?

Stay in protectandmurder where the rest of you swine belong. You and Clayton can circlejerk on each others badges.

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[–] playbeasy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm confused by this. Does turning the lights on start the recording or is the camera always recording but not saved unless the lights are turned on? Like what you're saying was a 10-15 minute buffer that gets recorded after the lights come on?

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[–] thespawnkiller 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Turning the camera off during any police/suspect interaction should automatically be an offense punished by termination. If anyone is killed during that time the officer should automatically be tried for murder.

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[–] Tsugumori 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

It was actually just never turned on Since the police hasn't used their emergency lights. Not defending the cops, either, but it's shoddy journalism to say they actively turned it off.

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[–] Biohazard 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Thank you!

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