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[–] Femroe 4 points 58 points (+62|-4) ago 

I agree. He's a pretty worthless piece of shit. Nothing says beta like hunting down a moderately tamed lion. It wasn't even a 'real' hunt. They lured him with steaks and then shot him while he was eating. We got a real badass here, folks.

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[–] Jinkeez 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Is it really even hunting at that point? He paid some dudes to take him out into the wilderness and point out animals for him to shoot, easy-mode. Sounds more like a tourist to me.

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[–] basaltine 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

yep, i agree...there is a sickness to this man...a lack of any humanity.

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[–] Patranus 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Why? What exactly did he do that was wrong? He had a permit. His actions were 100% legal. I am sure you use leather products a significant amount of time.

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[–] Sectan 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

The officials say Cecil was protected by the sanctuary he was in. He was lured out with bait and then shot when he was eating.

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[–] Esk 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

There's a difference between legal and moral.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

This makes me sick to my stomach. Cunt is not a strong enough word.

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[–] wake_their_ashes 7 points 48 points (+55|-7) ago  (edited ago)

He has a picture of himself with a dead white rhino.

Someone needs to put an arrow in this dipshit. He isn't a hunter he is a trophy seeking dickwad that wants to murder rare animals to sate his own self importance and ego.

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[–] Poco 1 point 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

He does seem to have a history of purchasing legal permits to hunt these animals from authorities that can use that money to help pay for conservation. He is paying tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege, which goes, in theory, to help pay for protection from poachers. It isn't something I would do, but it seems above board and it isn't like he is doing this in secret.

If his fee for killing this lion (or rhino) is enough to help pay to stop poachers killing three animals, is it worth it?

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[–] Klaxon 5 points 24 points (+29|-5) ago 

If the guy wanted to be hailed as a hero he should have just donated tens of thousands of dollars to conservation. This just looks like a rich man using his money to allow him to do something most people would think was deplorable.

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[–] ActionlessReaction 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Most of the time, animals who are put up for hunting auctions are aged or diseased, and like Poco mentions, the money raised go towards conservation for the younger and healthier generation of wildlife.

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[–] ARCHA1C 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Yes. Absolutely. If it wasn't they wouldn't be doing it.

The African conservation groups do not live posh lifestyles, and their life's mission is the conservation and protection of endangered species. They don't give rights to hunt any of these animals without much consideration and understanding of exactly what the pros/cons are.

See Louis Theroux's African Hunting Holiday for some insight on the reality of the animal conservation efforts in Africa

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[–] GinTrain 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think that's it's the WAY he handled this kill. I'm sure this guy own binoculars and could see the collar. Legally and responsible thinning is good. He knew what he was doing. If this dipshit is truly sorry he would donate another 35k to the park

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[–] The_Funisher 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

What is often left out of stories like these, is the fact that you just cant go out into the African savannah and start shooting animals. This hunter paid a guide to get him to his animal. Ultimately the guide is responsible for everything up to the actual shot. The hunter has no idea of the local wildlife or its socio/political connection to the area in these cases. From what ive read the guide is going to be on the hook for this mistake and so he should.

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[–] amaljaa 5 points 43 points (+48|-5) ago  (edited ago)

How could he.

Honestly, how can you just.

I know a lion is, well, a lion - not human. But that actually makes it worse. The animal wasn't looking for a fight and hadn't actually done anything to anyone. He /lured it out of the national park with bait/ to kill it, and this wasn't accidental and he's killed other endangered animals for sport, too.

This wasn't for food. This wasn't for protection.

This was just to be a fucking douchenozzle.

Now hella mad, honestly.

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[–] TheBeesTrees 10 points 4 points (+14|-10) ago  (edited ago)

It's seriously odd to me to see people so worked up about this when we have a multi-billion dollar food animal industry.

I realize that we feed on one and the other is "just a trophy", but that really seems like a small difference and a large dichotomy to me. I mean I'm glad people are so worked up about it, but then to turn a blind eye on what we pay people to do to all the feed animals at home seems quite disingenuous. At least this dude went to some trouble and paid for it himself instead of having a government subsidy to kill animals...

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[–] Le_Squish 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

But people aren't turning a blind eye to factory farms and animal abuse. Did you think the whole organic and free-range movement came from nowhere?

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[–] Mysterian 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Craving a Chick Fil A Spicy Chick'n sandwich right about now

But (fist raised) that dentist is going down!

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[–] TheVillain61 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Well on his website, before it was taken down he is described as being married, kids, outdoor activities and wildlife photography. No mention of the photography after he butchered the wildlife.

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[–] bfriend13 1 point 39 points (+40|-1) ago 

Hunting for food, fine. Hunting for a trophy? Also, nice baiting the lion out of the park ya jerk.

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[–] Closeout 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

I was understanding of hunting when it was described as population control and beneficial to the local economy. Purposely baiting an animal out of a reserve is just fucked.

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[–] Just_A_Human 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Hunting tags and licenses in the USA fund the DNR.

I let the deer eat all the good-for-me stuff in the forest, then I shoot it and eat the deer so it doesn't jump through your car window. :)

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[–] ARCHA1C 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Hunting for trophy in and of itself isn't bad if the endeavor, such as this one, is done through conservation groups.

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[–] KingCactus 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I disagree with trophy hunting. If you want to take the conservationist approach to hunting, you should be killing off the smaller, weaker animals in a herd, pride, etc... Animals typically referred to as trophies are the ones that you want to keep alive so that they can procreate and have strong, healthy offspring.

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[–] coldacid 1 point 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

Permit for hunting wild lions outside of conservancy areas, fine. But using that permit to lure and kill a conservancy animal is still illegal, I believe, else those other fellows wouldn't be up against charges.

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[–] ARCHA1C 5 points 1 point (+6|-5) ago  (edited ago)

It's not illegal. Where did you read that?

These conservation groups work in conjunction with the local governments to coordinate these hunts. They are not taken lightly, and are done with the intention of raising funds and awareness for conservation groups. The reality is that Cecil would have very likely been dead much soon had these groups not existed. Yes, death is ugly, but this is an ugly necessity for the betterment of the conservation efforts.

See Louis Theroux's African Hunting Holiday for some insight on the reality of the animal conservation efforts in Africa

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[–] localbum 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Thank you! Yeah, he's hunting lions and all that, and not everyone is going to agree with the morality that goes behind that - but someone, somewhere said "Sure, give me this much money and you can go kill that lion. We'll need to lure it out of the park, y'know, cause rules."

There's more than just one face to shame in this fiasco.

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[–] ADriftingMind ago 

It sounds like the "professionals" he hired botched the hunt in a big way. I don't agree with hunting exotic species period, but I'll give him a inch of slack for cooperating with the investigation. Sounds like mistakes were made. That being said i wouldn't hang out with this guy every.

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[–] reconstructedcaribou 9 points 23 points (+32|-9) ago  (edited ago)

The knee-jerk hate mentality in the comments here is disappointing.

My understanding is that most big game hunters go out and pay exorbitant fees to preservation/hunting organizations that actually keep animals safe from poachers and other dangers. The guides select specific animals for the hunter to take down, usually older.

Sounds like the guides and the hunter were cutting corners and made some serious mistakes, then tried to cover things up. The article does list that he was guilty about falsifying the location that he shot a bear in 2009.

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[–] TheHemingWay [S] 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago 

I think you're right. Culling certain animal populations is necessary, and this guy had apparently obtained legal permits. I think we're looking at something that's the professional hunter's fault, not the client's.

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[–] you-dumbass 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

If I had to guess I'd say both the client probably paid a bit under the table and the pro didn't hand him to the authorities after the check cleared

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[–] pequenopete 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

I'm missing how this is knee-jerk hate. There's a place for everything but this guy bribed officials so he could illegally shoot a lion. That's reprehensible in my book book where ever you stand in regards to hunting.

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[–] CipherEnigma 1 point 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

He bribed officials? With money? So he paid for a legal license you mean? The guides were the ones who lured the lion out of the park, the client may not have even know that they had done that.

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[–] GoonyGooGoo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There is no need for this type of hunting. It's sole purpose is inflating ego's. He did not eat any part of the lion and it was purely trophy hunting. I do not and never have agreed with trophy hunting but because you said so I guess I'm knee jerking.

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[–] reconstructedcaribou 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

Hunting is a core part of human history and is done in a responsible way in modern times. I think that's great that you've chosen your stance, but writhing in vitriol over the system of care that hunters provide for certain species is petty. Do you find sustainable logging objectionable as well?

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[–] gruix ago  (edited ago)

It still says something about the psychology of the guy who pays so much to kill animals, even if the money ends up helping the national parks.

What if someone could legally pay to kill people on the death row, instead of the lethal injection by a state officer ? I would say he is clearly just a murderer/psychopath at heart. Going through an approved and regulated procedure instead of kidnapping hitch-hikers doesn't him better (just even more of a coward)

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[–] reconstructedcaribou 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

All it says about his psychology is that he enjoys big game hunting, which isn't demented as your tone suggests. The rest of your comment comes off as hysteria.

If you have any points on why sustainable hunting is wrong, (besides 'what if animals were people') I'll be glad to consider them.

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[–] troponinnutrition 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

It's always dentists

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Sadistic sociopathic fuckers, it's the main reason why I can't go to the dentist. Haven't been in twenty years.

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[–] stegg001 1 point 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Never understood the fun off killing rare animals....

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[–] cgsur 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Compensation for flaws within yourself.

"I'm a twat, but I am a rich twat, envy me lesser mortals."

If he was my dentist, I would be shopping for other dentists.

They went through all the trouble of illegally killing a semi tame lion in the middle of the night that was being used for research. So he probably shoot Cecil through a vehicle window, while the lion was munching on a carcass tied behind another vehicle.

Lions are day predators so this was very specifically targeted because the lion was well known.

What a hero/s

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[–] Alpha_Machine ago 

The only way to put themselves up is to put something down. What's something powerful to put down? Big game.

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[–] Zaqwert ago 

Little man syndrome.

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