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[–] BoiseNTheHood 20 points 89 points (+109|-20) ago 

Salon = clickbait = not worth reading.

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[–] TheGo2SWATking 6 points 19 points (+25|-6) ago 

There should be an official /v/news blacklist of different news sites that must be linked to through archive.is or similar to prevent them earning revenue from clicks coming from here.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 3 points 27 points (+30|-3) ago  (edited ago)

No thank you. I left Reddit because of arbitrary censorship based on personal views, I don't want the same shit here. I may not agree with what a lot of sites out there publish, but I want the option to at least critique them for it at the source.

Edit: With that said, if a specific user decides for THEMSELVES to offer an archived version of a site, I'm all for it. But to make it a mandatory rule is just poor form.

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[–] TreeWithInfiniteCats 5 points 13 points (+18|-5) ago 

You can sum all these pieces from the last ten years in one sentence:

'Rule 1. Stay away from feminism and multiculturalism and you can lead a happy life'

That's it. That's all you need to know. Now go and be happy! :)

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[–] thescientificmethod 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think you're mistaken about what "clickbait" means. From Wikipedia: "Clickbait headlines typically aim to exploit the "curiosity gap", providing just enough information to make the reader curious, but not enough to satisfy their curiosity without clicking through to the linked content." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait)

By contrast, the contents of this column are fairly represented by its headline, whether you agree with them or not.

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[–] ximian 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Salon has some pretty good points of view. sure, they are left leaning, but whats the harm in hearing out?

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[–] bloopton 50 points 36 points (+86|-50) ago  (edited ago)

Well you can't blame them. Don't train your cops in conflict deescalation + keep too much military surplus in local PD's + have THE MOST gun-centric, gun filled populace in the world (per capita, thanks NRA fear-mongering!) and what do you get? The people we trust to protect us are a bunch of scared amateurs trying to safeguard their own lives before those of American citizens. And you know what? If I were in their position, I'd feel the exact same way.

Let's not forget that while we have to fix America's policing with body cams, refocused training etc., we have a serious problem with guns. No other country in the western world (heard this before? Tough shit, I'm saying it again) has as many firearm related deaths as we do. We're comfortably right ahead of FUCKING URUGUAY. Rail about US rights, rail about our freedoms all we want. I am a former owner and supporter of the 2nd amendment myself. But after Sandy Hook, fuck, after the every single weekly massacre on the nightly news.... after seeing how Australia fixed its gun problems, and after seeing how the Japanese live (a lot of the time, yakuza will just carry around knives) I returned my gun. It'd be great if we didn't live in a world where people were so fucking evil.

Take away the knives you say? But those family killers you say? Go fuck yourself you evil, ignorant piece of shit. That's just untrue. You know just as well as I do, in a situation where people have an opportunity to defend themselves, in public or wherever, guns>knives. Especially if you're a carrier/former carrier. Not only that, but I won't even get into the training required to USE a knife properly. We know how dangerous guns are. There's a reason why we don't have kitchen knife safety classes.

It'd be real great if we didn't live in a world of crazy killers. But we do (thanks broken mental health system). I'd give up my right to own a firearm 10 times over if it meant, in the TINIEST, SLIGHTEST BIT it would save lives. If it meant some asshole couldn't go to a gun show and show up at a store to shoot it up later. If it meant some psycho whose mom owned a gun couldn't borrow it from her to shoot up a theatre. Sure the world's a dangerous place, and our poorly trained, frightened cops know that. But we've made it dangerous America. I guess, we just get the world we deserve.

Edit: There are definitely a shit ton of facets to this issue, and me saying guns were PART of the problem does not mean that there aren't other HUGE facets to this issue. "Tough on crime" bullshit, police brutality, government overreach (in some areas) are all part of the problem. Happy we could have this discussion

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[–] Coroner 19 points 96 points (+115|-19) ago 

you are retarded. it has nothing to do with guns. the problem with the police force in the u.s. has always been there, its just now we have the technology to bring it into the light. other issues are economics, the war on drugs, vets, and the militarization of peace officers.

due to a push to the right in conservative ideology, cities and states have less money. this leaves a deficit for local governments. you have the war on drugs being used as a justification for increased size and militarization of police departments. a large amount of new recruits are vets, many suffer psychological issues such as ptsd and depression. soldiers are trained to fight an enemy not police civilians. one of the issues is that our modern police force trains officers to combat civilians, not function as a peace officer but as a soldier fighting an armed insurgency. you add all that onto the existing problems of improper and lack of training, racism and corruption...and its a giant cluster fuck. guns dont have anything to do with it.

when a swat team raids a house over a non violent offense, putting the occupants life in danger, killing pets and innocent people...its not guns that are doing it. its politicians who want to appear to be hard on crime, its people who vote for those politicians, its the vets who know they are mentally unstable but chose that career any, its the departments and its structure which make profit instead of safety their goal. guns are dangerous i get it. you dont like them, i get that too, but thats not the cause of the problem.

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[–] C_IsForCookie 10 points 65 points (+75|-10) ago  (edited ago)

He's not retarded, and he's not wrong, but neither are you. You're both equally as correct. It's frustrating when people don't see that there's more than one, two, or ten reasons why these problems are evident. It's multi-faceted and that's why it's so hard to fix. Instead of grouping all of the ideas together and figuring out how to solve them one at a time, we have people trying to argue that their idea is the "right" one and that their idea alone will solve all the problems.

Yes, the issue has always been there. But it's gotten worse as time has gone on for the reasons @bloopton mentioned. Not only that, but your comment helped to reinforce his. He said that part of the reason we have so many problems is because of the fear that our citizens are so well armed that they feel compelled to police them more akin to military than not, but this only came to fruition because of the fear that their commanders put in their minds because of the raids and the war on drugs and all of those other things you mentioned. Guns have a lot to do with it, and even partially so because we've turned it into such an issue that the constant conversations regarding them, and the 2nd amendment, and how important it is to the country makes cops feel like they've got to watch their backs because everyone's got one now. You said we have police who are vets with PTSD, he said we have shit mental health and a surplus of weaponry. Well... what do you think someone with PTSD is going to do in a situation like that?

But you're not wrong what so ever either. The police themselves need to develop better tactics for how they operate and enact these raids. They even more importantly need to develop better systems of hiring and training. There are politicians who need to put their priorities in order and protect the people before they secure their vote next election. The war on drugs has been bullshit on many levels, but that's the type of stuff that propagates the violence which makes the police trigger happy which causes more violence which causes the police departments to buy the tanks which causes MORE violence which causes MORE problems and everyone's fighting everyone and then we're all stuck in the middle.

This post isn't directed specifically at you, @Coroner. This is a generalized statement. There are so many factors that are propagating the issues that we're having that it gets overwhelming and it's hard to keep track of them, and organize them, and then figure out how to solve them, because so many people are too busy arguing about it instead of doing anything about it, and everybody else is too busy trying not to get shot on the way to work by a cop. It's getting ridiculous.

And what nobody's mentioned so far, so I will, is the police need better OVERSIGHT and ACCOUNTABILITY. No more of that fine blue line crap. It's getting old, and that's another huge factor on top of all of the rest.

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[–] bagano1 7 points 13 points (+20|-7) ago 

On the flip side, the media is not showing you how ridiculous the community in the hood behaves to cops. I've been there, there's no justification for it, they're defiant just because they're petulant children who don't understand how society works. I used to think cops were so horrible for beating down black suspects...but now? It makes perfect sense. Even restaurant servers will tell you they're some of the worst customers too. It's not just cops they behave like assholes to.

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[–] bloopton 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I'm not retarded, but I think we're both right/wrong. What you described is a huge part of the problem in this country, and I'm not discounting that. I just also think that there might be somewhat of a causation relationship between our huge gun ownership per capita rate and our huge amount of firearm deaths (relative to other western countries with stricter regulations).

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[–] realpatrickstewart 4 points 24 points (+28|-4) ago  (edited ago)

. But after Sandy Hook, fuck, after the every single weekly massacre on the nightly news....

Ahah, someone can't read a graph. But don't let these mess with you deciding your whole life based on a couple of televised events:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-3.png

http://www.justice.gov/archive/opd/Figure3.JPG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/ZendoDeb/issues0112.gif

Apparently, you don't remember the 90's where we did enact stricter legislation and it did literally nothing to stop murder rates. And the amount of school shootings we have are tiny, and the only places that do get shot up are "gun free zones."

You basically fail to realize that the majority of people don't want to kill each other. The only ones who do are:

1) Crimes of opportunity--which don't tend to be mass shootings.

2) Mass shooting revenge which requires someone be mentally unstable enough to kill people, yet mentally stable enough to jump through all the regulatory and societal hoops to not raise suspicion or get caught. Stable enough to be an effective killer, yet unstable enough to allow him/herself to kill innocent people.

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[–] bagano1 7 points 0 points (+7|-7) ago 

Stricter doesn't always mean "effective." Until most handguns and assault rifles are banned from private ownership, gun violence will not decrease. The whole point is to decrease the supply so that your average gangbanger and mentally ill nut can't easily get a gun. Sure, Tony Soprano and his crew will probably still have firearms, but they will be more expensive and they will have to be more careful about riding around with them.

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[–] phyroxis 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think /v/fatpeoplehate is working on that last one.

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[–] C_IsForCookie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's definitely a contributing factor. But it makes money. So...

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[–] ghotioninabarrel 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

Why are the top comments in this thread about how it's the people's fault? The police are supposed to be the experts who protect people, not keep them under control for the government. Police get power for the rare cases where they need it, using their power in every interaction is an abuse.

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[–] Sorahzahd 4 points 13 points (+17|-4) ago 

Bootlickers have largely taken over and started brigading up their dumbshit, thug propaganda.

Just be a pussy and a coward, turn over your rights and obey the dumb thug cop and they might not shoot you. Such a great motto /s

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[–] bloopton 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

The issue is multi-faceted. Police brutality and poor training are PART of an issue that spans our truly unique gun regulation (and gun culture), our broken mental health system, poverty in our ghettos etc.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Unless they imagine themselves to be the victim, anyway.

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[–] TexasComments 35 points 14 points (+49|-35) ago 

Can we ban Salon.com all it does is run clickbait that is slanted towards the leftist progressive caucus.

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[–] tehconz 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago 

Salon.com is awful but I don't think we should be banning sites because people (the majority even?) disagree with them politically.

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[–] farmer- 8 points 12 points (+20|-8) ago  (edited ago)

The Sandra Bland story is very compelling, but I agree with you, man. Salon.com is extremely biased. I don't know who downvoated you, but if that person is seeing this right now take a look at the kind of hypocrisy they spew out. We might as well be citing Fox News for their stories too

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[–] sneakybells 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

Every news source is biased. Why not just spend a little time and develop your own critical thinkng filter? It's good to be able read on stories multiple sides of the spectrum. "Purifying" the news feed will only help to weaken our informational immune system.

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[–] crusade 6 points 2 points (+8|-6) ago 

I don't see what's compelling about it, she offed herself to forward the race-baiting narrative.

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[–] TexasComments 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Fox news does have some brutally biased pieces especially their talk shows - I'm conservative and I have worked for conservative politicians and their causes - but they also have some good news coverage; they were the first ones on my satellite dish to start reporting the shootings in TN.

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[–] LazarusLong 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I thought avoiding censorship was the idea behind this place.

Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean people should be kept from seeing it.

I am perfectly capable of disregarding Salon articles as bullshit without your intervention.

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[–] Balrogic 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Can we ban @TexasComments from Voat? I don't like their political slant. Thanks.

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[–] TexasComments 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Blow me.

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[–] uberdoober 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You must be thinking of Reddit.

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[–] buttnut 19 points 14 points (+33|-19) ago  (edited ago)

  1. Don't be black

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[–] chakan2 11 points 21 points (+32|-11) ago 

  1. Do what the cops tell you

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[–] Valyrios 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago  (edited ago)

2 Stop resisting

3 RIP

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[–] TrayFly 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You might want to add a slash between your 2 and ., like so:

2\. Do what the cops tell you

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[–] china_troll 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

This is just like "all lives matter"; it changes the subject from institutionalized racism to general police brutality.

Some of the liberals, like this author, still don't get it. They are making the same mistake that Hillary and O'Malley made a short while ago.

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[–] Balrogic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Except there is an issue with general police brutality, just happens that the problem faced by brown skinned suspects is somewhat worse on a statistical level even though a lot of not-so-brown people get brutalized by police too. Is there something you have against ending police brutality? Any particular reason you only want it to end for a specific ethnicity?

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[–] nomenimion 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

I stopped reading when I reached "privileged white male."

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[–] thuvia_1 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

whenever you encounter a law enforcement officer, just lay face down on the ground , cross your ankles and put your hands behind your back. you still might get shot, but at least the cop will feel safer.

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[–] theoldguy 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you assume the "felony stop" position on your own, the cop will say you've assumed some sort of weird karate stance.

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[–] bagano1 16 points 10 points (+26|-16) ago 

Salon is a crap lib rag staffed with reporters from lily white areas that don't know how people in the hood behave. You have to see it to believe it. Even asking these people to turn their music down will result in a huge fight. There's a reason no one wants them in their neighborhoods.

Watch the end of Fruitvale Station or the Sandra Bland arrest video to see what I'm talking about. They make a routine stop by the police turn into a violent confrontation, all because they can't behave like adults and calm down. In my former line of work, I used to see this shit on a daily basis. It was ridiculous. Much of it has to do with poor parenting. It's not even the result of not having a dad. It's just that their parents and adult figures in their life are pathetic losers.

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[–] bloopton 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Part of it is the way cops are trained nowadays. There's shittiness at ever level of police-work, from training to execution (no pun intended) and its killing people.

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[–] bagano1 9 points 0 points (+9|-9) ago 

You simply have no idea how stupid and difficult people are in the hood. Once you do, you'll see why those cops act the way they do. They're frustrated, and I can't blame them. I don't think many of the lily-white people that stand up for minorities even know how bad they are in America's ghettos. I've gotten to know the culture really well. These are not good people at all. They're misguided children who don't understand how modern society works.

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