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[–] sillymanilly 2 points 130 points (+132|-2) ago 

This is just wrong and should be illegal.

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[–] nigganaut 3 points 115 points (+118|-3) ago  (edited ago)

...which is what poor white kids with good grades have been saying for DECADES as they have been treated the same. Oh, no, it isn't an issue until government sponsored racism affects a minority.

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[–] gregorythegreat 0 points 44 points (+44|-0) ago 

Asians aren't considered a minority by the media, they're too successful. Otherwise we would get a constant stream of stories about how there aren't enough minorities in Silicon Valley.

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[–] TodayIsAGoodDay 3 points 23 points (+26|-3) ago 

Actually, it's been that way for decades. Thanks to a strong cultural focus on education and family pressure to succeed, Asian test scores and GPAs have been out performing whites for decade, and they've been subjected to a more stringent admission process as a result. This isn't new.

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[–] butthole_farty_pants 3 points 5 points (+8|-3) ago  (edited ago)

it isn't an issue until government sponsored racism affects a minority.

Yeah, this is utter horseshit. It's literally been this way for DECADES and absolutely nobody other than Asians gives a fuck.

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[–] Zkv 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

While many would agree, if you asked them without this context I'd be that a lot of the same people would say that affirmative action (from the other side, anyways) is a good idea too.

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[–] flyawayhigh 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago  (edited ago)

What should be illegal? Making up affirmative action statistics and having them quoted authoritatively in a major newspaper?

Just kidding, of course! :D

LA Times has a right to publish one-sided unverified claims. It is up to us to use some discernment.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says... Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.

If this is true, and these are public universities, this is already illegal. An investigation should follow. My guess is ... these claims are flat-out false and nothing will come of it. Stay tuned... :)


Edit: Sure enough, this Slate article, which opposes reinstating affirmative action in California, is one of many to suggest these LA Times figures are just plain made up. Heck, most of the articles I saw were from LA Times itself.

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[–] HarikMCO 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

I'm guessing it's one of those misleading-at-best "statistics". Basically, the college doesn't have any sort of a formula that applies to the SAT. What the newspaper did was group all the students admitted by race, then average their SAT scores.

Voila, "bonuses" and "penalties". Of course, that completely ignores that College isn't a test you pass to get in, and that minority students often get in on athletic programs (Basically, the college makes a shitload of money on the back of black athletes, in return for a fake "education". What a charming mental image that is!) Not surprisingly, when you gather everyone into one district it's hard to stand out. Bad planning on the parent's part, I suppose, but they're still in the mindset that only the test scores matter. Perhaps in Asia, but not in the US. If you want guaranteed admission take your smart kid to a less-competitive school district. They may not do as well on the SAT, but it's a shoe-in for valedictorian - and that looks good when applying.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 105 points (+105|-0) ago 

Affirmitive Action is ridiculous. A meritocracy system isn't itself racist. It's racist to believe that certain minorities won't get in due to having one in place.

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[–] weezkitty 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago  (edited ago)

It's what happens when you let SJWs make laws. Affirmative action is racist and sexist. It should always be about choosing the best person, not filling a race and gender quota (and often ending up with less qualified persons)

-edit- to clarify: it's not because I think those races are inherently inferior/superior. But every time you lower the bar just to fill a quota, you will end up with lesser qualified people.

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[–] rumathlete_1 8 points 19 points (+27|-8) ago 

it should have been and always should be based on the income of the family. middle class to poor families have less to give to help their children and that should be taken into consideration.

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[–] voat- 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, education shouldn't be based off class level.. It should be performance based. The financial aid should be income based

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[–] sckpppt1336 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm not from the US, so looking at it from here makes me sad how effectively segregation and discrimination sells with that rebrand. And looking into justifications make it just seem like misdirected revenge.

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[–] explorevoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is not news, Asians and Whites both getting slammed. Funny thing - since the 1960s Jews are considered minority (1% of pop.) and they tend to have tests equal to Asian levels. I know Jews were quota'ed in the 1900s-1950s - but now Jews get affirmative action + points and score high as Asians on tests. Want to meet Jews? Go to a Ivy League Reunion from past 30 years.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 0 points 48 points (+48|-0) ago 

This is fucking racism through and through. How is this legal in the US and in this time and age? How the fuck can the US call itself a melting pot and deny education to people based on race? Seriously, did I get this wrong somehow? Am I dreaming? This is completely unreal.

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[–] nigganaut 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Has happened under the guise of promoting diversity for years as affirmative action..... how does that diversity taste now? Yea, just a bit racist, eh?

Also, food for thought: knowing that the standards are MUCH lower for blacks, would you want one for a doctor? If they are 30% under qualified as compared to their peers, how does that affect the ones who gained entrance by their own merits?

That's really fucked.

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[–] Werdd 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

Yeah affirmative action is why I only go to white male or Asian doctors from good schools. Since the racist and sexist system is stacked against them it stands to reason only the very best of them make it through.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It plays out in the dropout rate. Those kids who get in but dont have the skills to do well end up dropping out

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[–] tothetop 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They don't let people who aren't qualified to become doctors become doctors. Don't be ridiculous.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

How the fuck can the US call itself a melting pot and deny education to people based on race?

It's an illusion. Clearly you're immune to propaganda.

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[–] Sebine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Welcome to the United States of Black Run Social Justice

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[–] 1Sorry_SOB 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The problem is the races aren't equal. As long outcome isn't equal they won't be able to figure this out.

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[–] Shanghaibebop 2 points 47 points (+49|-2) ago 

This is pretty well known amongst Asians and people applying for top schools. There is a racial bias against Asian students at top universities in the form of unofficial quotas.

The best case and point is how the UC system has become flooded with Asians-American students. Most campuses boasts over 50% asian population. There are two causes simultanious contributing to this situation:

  1. California banned public schools from considering race in their admissions.
  2. Top schools' de facto quota drives a lot of high achieving asian students "down" into the UC system.

There are strong arguments FOR the usage of race based affirmative action as well, but regardless, it's definitely unfair for Asian American students in its current form.

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[–] nigganaut 2 points 27 points (+29|-2) ago 

...and poor white kids?

Yea, fuck 'em. That's what trailer parks are for amIrite?

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[–] Shanghaibebop 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Well, considering that Asian males are still the biggest losers under affirmative action (much much worse than caucasians due to heavier competition within the de facto Asian "quota"), I don't get why you are complaining about my comment.

Personally, I think the most socially fair approach would be a purely social economic based affirmative action, but then again, I think people often use affirmative action for other justifications.

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[–] spookybm 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I applied for UC, was rejected. It still asks if I was Asian on the application.. should have told them I was black. :/

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You should have saud you are transrace and considered yourself black.

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[–] Shanghaibebop 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wouldn't have mattered. They are banned by Californian law against considering race. They take it pretty seriously.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Its unfair for poor kids not black kids. Upper class black kids do fine.

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[–] Zaqwert 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's not a claim, it's a well documented fact.

If you look at academic performance vs. college admissions and scholarships Asians get the shaft.

Any time you ever give a spot to someone who doesn't deserve it you, you simultaneously take one away from somebody who does. That's what the pro-affirmative action crowd doesn't get.

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[–] beanhorker 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I have seen this first hand at a university that I plan on attending in the fall. The university is one of the top ranked in the country and my friend, being a white male studying engineering, was denied while minority females were accepted. Me and several other future students had some casual conversations about our test scores and the minority females had considerably less qualified than the afore mentioned friend. I know that those girls and my friend had worked incredibly hard, but in my opinion, the higher scores should have mattered more than the color or sex of an applicant.

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[–] spookybm 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I would have sure loved that spot in UC Irvine... but because of my slanty eyes, bucky teeth, and silly accent.. they probably had enough of people such as myself... pity... maybe I should done something to change that. or just not mention I was Asian on the application. Think that would have helped?

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[–] sachianakatoni 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Handicap for Asians .-50 will still not slow us down. Nothing is fair in life- we just rise to any challenge.

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[–] pimpboy_3billion 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Not Asian but I love your attitude.

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[–] sachianakatoni 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Thanks so much- my folk's survived the concentration camps & getting drafted in the Army to boot ! Lost almost everything but came back & more ! We are strong Americans.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

And that is why china is destroying the US. ( not saying dude is chinese but just the generic supwr Asian values and work ethics.)

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[–] linziwen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Bhumiputra is a racist law, established by the Malaysian government. The local people of Malaysia has a rivalry with the Chinese immigrants. The result of this law setbacks immigrants and made them more tougher by default. Malaysian 'Local borns' are luxuriate with quotas and perks which is nonconstructive for them.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Affirmative Action is racist. Why do SJWs hate Asian people?

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Because they are not perceived as "underdogs"

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Oh yeah, that's right. Shitting on Asians is still considered "punching up" and therefore okay in the warped minds of the SJWs.

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[–] CryHavoc 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Because one English word that Asians apparently do not learn, even as poor immigrants, is "excuse."

For SJWs that's the equivalent of meeting extra-terrestrial beings.

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[–] flyawayhigh 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Much better stories. Thank you. This LA Times story is nothing but one-sided allegations.

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