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[–] portalsandtrapdoors 1 points 209 points (+210|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Seattle Bus drivers should wear body cams because this shows that the police are liars.

And they need to protect themselves from the police

Remember the police in america are not here to protect you. there are places where this is not true.

But with the Feds handing out more and more military equipment to police along with increased swatting and no knock raids and increased "cooperation" between federal Agencies and Police

The police are not to be trusted.

"edited for clarity"

It is true there are good policeman and there are places where they believe in protecting citizens and places where they are not money grubbing bandits using civil asset forfeiture to steal your possesions.

But our world is not a good one. and understanding and letting go of faith that everything is on the up and up is what needs to be done.

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

I think this will end up being the ultimate solution, and it's something I've been waiting for years for. Put the recording power in the hands of civilians and don't rely on the police to produce video evidence. This is what I was hoping Google Glass would facilitate and I still hope something fills this need eventually and sees widespread adoption.

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[–] savageslav 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Here is something that you might be interested in. I'm not sure how affordable it is, but it is definitely an option.

http://www.vievu.com/vievu-products/plans/#overview

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[–] VicariousJambi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Also a dash cam!

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[–] 86lover 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

small, tamper-resistant, good battery life, cloud backup - pick two.

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

What's unsettling to me about militarizing the police is that the military will not fight U.S. citizens if there's a large scale rebellion. That's just not what they signed up for. But the police have no qualms with putting down dissent. Their job is already to deal with citizens who break laws. Militarizing them to a high degree greatly increases the state's ability to deal with dissidents and protest.

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[–] FitMachoNaziAtheist 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Went back to reddit, voat is no different.

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[–] WhoToldYouThat 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I'm just going to play devils advocate here and say Kent state shootings.

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[–] Sir_Laughs-a-lot 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

While this is true, there only like 3 million of them and 300 million of us.

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[–] TremorAcePV 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Regarding your edit:

Some policeman are good themselves, but in the law enforcement culture, it is taught that you stick up for your fellow LEOs even if they do something wrong. If an otherwise good police officer does not report when another officer does something he shouldn't (illegal &/or immoral with his authority), then he is a bad police officer and deserves just as much as the other officers get because he protects them.

Even if 9/10 police officers are good, if they protect the 1/10 that aren't, they are just as bad imo.

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[–] cgsur 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So how does the good policeman tell his wife he does not have a job to feed the kids. Unfortunately it is not binary 1's and 0's there are more values between.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

But with the Feds handing out more and more military equipment to police along with increased swatting and no knock raids and increased "cooperation" between federal Agencies and Police

> military equipment being handed out like candy

> can't get simple body cameras to police

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[–] nbd 2 points 46 points (+48|-2) ago 

Why are police such giant fucking babies anyway? OMG HE SAID A NAUGHTY WORD WHILE HE TALKED TO US! Even if it were true, why are they such prissy pussies that that would make any sort of a difference anyway?

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[–] Nepoxx 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

I think it's important that the police and public transit workers have good relations, so I think it's fair that the police should report agressive public transit workers.

Unfortunately, these morons are being dishonest and trying to get the worker to get disciplined because they want to get "revenge". They deserve to get fired and never have a chance of working in the police again. How many times has this happened but the victim wasn't filming? Who knows, but I can guarantee it happened more than once.

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[–] Garbageland 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I agree with you, but they aren't doing their part to maintain a healthy work relationship by doing their jobs. I'd be pissed too.

It seems like they are just trying to push the driver's alleged aggression to cover the fact that they are lazy assholes who didn't want to do what they are paid to do.

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[–] Mattk50 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

take the percentage of people who are likely to be able to covertly film something like this and multiply the people who dont have a covert camera by the number of instances to get a pretty solid estimation. In other words, a huge amount.

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[–] TheBeesTrees 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Many are looking for an excuse to throw their weight around. Feeling their power trip is something they grow to enjoy.

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[–] WAVAW 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Exactly what I was thinking! Freedom of speech bro.

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[–] cwt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] Femroe 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

People in general are turning into fucking crybabies. Every single day there is some news report of some idiot doing stuff like this instead of just accepting that they did a bad job and saying they will do better next time. Somehow we've raised a generation of humans that don't take responsibility for ANYTHING, and will literally try to get you fired if you so much as disagree with them.

I don't know when exactly things started to turn, but it's all going downhill pretty damn fast now.

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[–] Angry_fapkin 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago 

Are there any "good apples?"

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[–] Phekka 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

What's the second half of the "bad apples" adage?

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[–] Sylos 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

one bad apple spoils the bunch

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[–] TheBeesTrees 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

... Worth two in the bush?

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[–] Hook0076 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

.... Spoils the broth?

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[–] crysys 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Is it 'too many cooks'? I think it's 'too many cooks'!

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[–] klongtoey 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

the tree is poisoned.

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[–] secretsquirrel2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No. Any decent human being who becomes a cop is corrupted by the culture. They may not be directly abusive, but their silence makes them equally guilty.

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[–] MisterWings 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

When the "good apples" refuse to expunge the "bad apples" from their ranks they are all bad apples.

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[–] axiotomaton 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

They have both questioned the video’s authenticity.

Not surprised they would say that as in other places you've had rulings like "Videotape evidence can be overruled by the testimony and after-the-fact interpretation of a police officer"

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Well put. It's a fundamental problem in traffic court. Judge always defers to the cop. As it happens, the judge has a reason to do this as well - money. The city wants income from violations.

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[–] Garbageland 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well another problem is, and I'm definitely playing devil's advocate here, the bus driver has incentive to lie as well. Without the video, he was at risk of losing his job.

Though I'm sure if he had edited the video and over dubbed the audio, there would be people able to detect that sort of tampering.

(again, I'm 100% on his side, just exploring the other side for a second)

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[–] WhaleMan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't agree with a difference in deference between any government witnesses and the general public. Each eye witness is as unreliable as the next, and time and time again we see that. It's a funny though that government witnesses have inherent bias but those in the general public do not. Everyone has a bias whether you admit it or not.

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[–] iso1711 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've read the article, and it seems that the video evidence was not conclusive, as it could not be seen if the white line was actually crossed. The article states that the cop in the car behind had a better view and therefore gave the officers testimony more weight. I do not support this ruling, but I think one should consider the context and not just say "video evidence doesn't count in any case", as this ruling simply doesn't state that.

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[–] pocketForceNapkin [S] 0 points 31 points (+31|-0) ago 

Here is an article with more info on this:

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[–] GoatBeard 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thanks for the new source.

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[–] Did_you_voat_for_me 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you read the end of the article it looks like they got all sorts of drama going on with the police there, sexually, racially and violently charged texts being shared :O

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[–] ImJustAGuy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Link is down.....

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[–] pocketForceNapkin [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I emailed the Writer of the article:

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Video from bus driver’s body camera could cost 2 deputies their jobs Date: 2015-07-24 12:48 From: Steve Miletich smiletich@seattletimes.com To: <MY EMAIL>

I believe the policy stems from an overall ban on personal electronic devices that might distract the driver. But they are looking at the changing technology landscape.

EDIT: Looks like their whole site is busted. "No Above the Fold Block Found"

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[–] Moondanther 7 points 12 points (+19|-7) ago 

Title is deceptive, no mention of bus drivers being ordered not to wear cameras.

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[–] pocketForceNapkin [S] 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Watch the video

EDIT: It starts at the 2:00 mark.

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[–] Dirty_Asshole 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

No video showing up on mobile and not a single reference to anything about them being told not to wear cameras. Misleading title.

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[–] Makingbaconpancakes 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Is there another link? Video doesn't work on mobile.

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[–] seenandunseen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

In the comments chain there is another source with a quote:

the incident prompted the agency to send a bulletin to all drivers clarifying they were not to wear personal body cameras while working.>

Here is the link

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[–] [deleted] 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

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[–] NedTaggart 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree, that is the one thing about this that made no sense at all. why does race matter in this story?

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[–] 1328518? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The title of the article is reflected in the accompanying video only, unfortunately.

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[–] fourthcoming 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

News media will always find an excuse to report race, how else are they gonna stir the pot and try to get more page views?

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[–] Feferuchi 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Mistitled? I didn't read anything about being ordered not to wear a body cam.

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[–] pocketForceNapkin [S] 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Watch the video, at the 2:00 mark she states this.

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[–] Feferuchi 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Ahhh, I didn't see that.

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