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[–] Kad 2 points 120 points (+122|-2) ago 

The thing is, they already rule America; and most of the world in all but name.

When companies can dictate laws you no longer have a voice, regardless of your ability to "vote" for a better representative. When both sides are the same in all but color and opinions on "social issues/distractions" you end up with this.

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[–] dart11 0 points 40 points (+40|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This isn't what the founding fathers would have wanted. This much power in so few hands is a disaster.

Also, hijacking your comment a bit to spread awareness about /v/TPPartnership: a subverse specifically dedicated to spread awareness and news about the TPP.

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[–] Kad 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I definitely agree with you, and they actually did warn about big bankers and their ilk way back when too.

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[–] AssaultMonkey 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You mistyped the subverse.

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[–] SuperSarah 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Technically in their days, the few elite slave owners in the South held most of the economy's power. We had a hypocritical start. Now all colors are equally enslaved under a false sense of freedom.

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[–] Staross 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't about the US but in the France they had the choice between democracy and representative government and they chose the representative government:

[Participation to law making] can be achieve in two ways. Citizens can give their trust to some of them. Without giving away their right, they charge the exercise. It is for the common good that they give themselves Representatives, much more able than themselves to know the common good, and to interpret in this regard their own will. The other way to exercise its right to making the Law, is to contribute oneself directly to it. This immediate participation is the hallmark of true democracy. Mediated participation refer to the representative Government. The difference between these two political systems is enormous. The choice between these two methods of law making is not a question for us.

Dire de l'abbé Sieyès sur la question du veto royal, à la seance du 7 septembre 1789

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[–] smokeu 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

This is so true. Every conversation I have had with one of those pompous "Elites" are just as scary. The sad thing is, they are setting themselves up to rule the world, and I am sad to say, their kids are not exactly fit to inherit whatever fucked up oligarchy they setup. Honestly it is coming to a head, where we decide exactly how far do we let this go before we say, "hey jerks, you only got here because of this amazing constitution that not only protects us, but protects you from our pitchforks... back off..."

They have lost the moral compass in the search to change the world in any way they can for better or for worse.

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[–] PilotKnob 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We've gone too far already, I'm afraid. The "past precedent" principle is showing a clear trend towards letting the Corporations and their leaders do whatever they damn well please. See: the "Patriot" act, NAFTA, Citizens United, and now the TPP. As long as the bread and circuses routine satiates the huddled masses, this will continue. There may be an awakening at some point, but that's a ways off, and then we'll have the opportunity to dust off the torches and pitchforks. But for now nobody's starving, and Honey Boo Boo and The Duggars are focusing the nation's collective interest off the drudgery of political goings-on. What a world we live in, eh?

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

They never had a moral compass to begin with. That's how and perhaps why they set out to get THAT rich.

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[–] ShimmyShimmy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You Know a 1%? You realize that is 1% of the population. Who then, they would be on a list. It's rare to actually know a 1%er.

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[–] Raymond 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

How do these conversations go? Sorry if it's a big ask. I'm super curious.

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[–] raspberryvine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What's funny is that for example in America they keep talking about "socialism" and how it's bad when in fact they're practically? a fascist society.

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[–] Kad 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I want you to look up the following topics and then come back and tell me if your stance that you have a "very free society" is still the same.

On an extra note you may also want to look into this: With only 5% of the world’s population, the U.S. has 25% of the world’s prison population.

Maybe you just have more criminals that less free countries. Keep in mind that list isn't even going into the personal level stuff like this, this, or more horrifyingly this

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[–] 1306524? [S] 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

For those who want to stop this, /v/TPPrally

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[–] HenryCorp 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Thanks @Mattvision. The article and the rallies are much needed. May I also suggest getting after VP Joe Biden who might be more receptive to stopping the TPP and convincing the President to change course: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

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[–] ahab_with_piggyback 2 points 38 points (+40|-2) ago 

I am going to go out on a limb and say that this is not suprising in the least. Corporations are legally people... think about that for a second. A group of people can combine together vast amounts of wealth, human resources, and other agregate and create a virtual titan that is capeable of having all the rights and privlages aforded to it by the United States. Not only that, this is welcomed with open arms. No wonder these multinationals abuse people/nations. We let them do it... they walk around with impunity and frequently disobey laws and cause other societal problems and get nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Why would they not want to change the rules in their favor? The short answer is they won't and this agreement will solidify these actions.

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[–] Caboose_Calloway 1 points 43 points (+44|-1) ago 

We are entering a new feudal age. The corporations are the new feudals, they own the resources and the privileges. The people are the new serfs, their only function is to consume pay taxes provide labor and fight in wars,

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[–] ahab_with_piggyback 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

I read somewhere that war does serve a useful purpose for the consolidation of power. I think between the privatization of wars, aggregation of data and meta data, as well as the privatization of prisons... there is definately a cause for concern.

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The sad part is that during feudal times, you got free bunking. Now you have to struggle to pay and fix your own.

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[–] SilverBanana 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

Basis of feudal age was tying people to the soil, removal of right to move. The feudals were appointed by birthright. Today, you can move freely within your country and corporations are made of people. There is no birthright required by law (you can have be born to rich parents, but it is not same as being born a duke with different legal status and voting power).

There is no resemblance with feudal age. It just sounds heavy and dramatic. You really would need to have bad critical thinking skills or lack of knowledge of European history to agree with that.

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[–] smeezekitty 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Corporations are legally people They shouldn't be. That is a huge problem

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[–] Ladderjack 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What is amazing to me is that there hasn't been a precedent for corporations to bear arms yet.

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[–] MrBig 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

oh, so microsoft is a dude but ted is just a teddybear?! RAWR REVOLUTION

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 31 points (+31|-0) ago 

Was watching Jon Stewart interview Obama yesterday... Stewart stated off - handedly that TPA was a "victory" for obama.... we are screwed...

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[–] lexsird 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

If you think Stewart is some kind of savior of the common person, you are dead wrong. He's yet another media puppet that sings the echo chamber's agenda. Sure, he makes some noise about a few things, but that only gives him cred so he can sell the real propaganda better.

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[–] 1313755? 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I was disappointed that it was glossed over like that. I'd rather hear more about the fast-track than about the Iran nuclear deal.

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[–] Lullabyt 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

I remember talking about all this 20 years ago and being told I was crazy.

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[–] ThizzBoss 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

you are crazy

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[–] UlfuricAcid 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

It's scary watching the world descend deeper and deeper into the clutches of madmen. It's scarier knowing that those of us who care are powerless and those of us with power don't care enough.

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[–] AberdolfLincler 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Godamn, you guys are scaring the shit out of me with this comment section. I realize that I should be scared, but could some of you post a comment about how we can try to fight back or something? You guys are making me feel like there's no point, we should all just give up and accept our fate as serfs to our corporate overlords. Not saying I've given up by any means, but you guys are making it hard to maintain spirit.

edit: If you guys want to fill the comment sections with shit about how we've already lost and what not, that's your business, but I think all you're really doing is help convince people to throw in the towel. I'd be a liar if I said I hadn't thought about it, just give up until society reaches a breaking point, then I make sure I'm on the right side. I mean, that's what most people are likely doing. Anyways, just keep that in mind, that you're probably not pushing people to fight harder, you're pushing them to giving up against an enemy that seems impossible to defeat.

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[–] lexsird 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Awww, poor thing. Well I hate to break it to you, but it's about to get worse. Next up is disarmament of the American people. Take note how these shootings are being displayed to us in the news as just yet another tragedy that we can stop once we disarm. There was another one and the propagandists will be working it as they do the others.

They ignore the fact that our cops kill more people just this year alone that all the mass shootings combined in the history of ever, but we can't look at their thugs. Why because they have the perfect thug force in place that has been fighting a "war on terror" against the population, are militarized in gear and mind, and have a psychopathic mentality to abuse the general public. You don't think that the government has been jacking up police forces with military gear to actually protect us from terrorists do you? lol

It's so that they can roll into your neighborhood with a SWAT team and go door to door and collect all of those guns you have registered. If you can't produce them, then it's probably off to a FEMA camp with you. People are pussies and will roll over and let this happen. I figure it will happen around the world as well with these new "trade agreements" taking place as the bankers/corporations can't have armed resistance once people realize just how badly they've been taken.

Face it, we've let so much bullshit slide that we've only encouraged them to do this. We're divided down racial and political lines, too fragmented to mount an opposition to what will be a swift move against us all. They can monitor our social media and our phones for pockets of resistance, broadcasting to us the beat down of anyone foolish enough to resist. A few will snap, but it will be spun as domestic terrorists who resist this important change to public safety and the fight against terrorism.

Once disarmed, the real trouble will begin and the horror of the realization sets in as to what has happened and that's when it's time to be scared.

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[–] KoKansei 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you want to do something useful, withdraw your consent from the broken system as much as possible at an individual level. Stop educating your children in the statist system and teach them about what is really going on. Stop paying taxes by searching for alternative ways of living that cannot be parasitized by the corporate-fascist state. Buy and earn bitcoin to attack the broken and corrupt monetary system that is the source of their power.

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[–] Eva-unit-001 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Nothing will happen until ordinary people start to experience starvation, think Stalinist Russia. The end won't be pretty but it may arrive quicker than we think.

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[–] vicentil 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Haha! But anon, there's really little we can do at this point. We can spread awareness and call senators and we should...but most of this is out of hands now. No one paid attention when it was being passed through the system.

;-;

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[–] Ladderjack 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Corporate ambition is to replace government by making it subservient to the wills of corporate leadership, which has basically happened. The hard part is getting people to realize that, for most of us, all of pleasing things we enjoy, like movies and entertainment, pharmaceutical grade drugs, sports entertainment, video games, social networking and most other internet media. . .these are just another wave of distractions for a younger generation. Previously, the paradigm was to restrict birth control education and keep people busy with their families, which still has merit but is less effective on the younger generation. The real battle is getting everyone to realize that all of the pleasurable things on their lives that make them forget about the looming problem of corporate takeover are part of that corporate takeover and are working exactly as planned. I'm as guilty as anyone. . .but I see the problem, along side the blooming corporate feudalism. The problem is, I don't know how to wake everyone up. . .including me.

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[–] KoKansei 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

There is nothing tinfoil hat-ish about this line of thinking at all. This is precisely how revolutions are started. Not everyone wakes up at once, but if things continue to get worse eventually we will reach critical mass.

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[–] 1316585? 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As "we the people" see America’s infrastructure collapsing around us, as we see our national treasury usurped by military industry blood lusts and financial industry Ponzi schemes, as we see every news media outlet sponsored exclusively by large multinational corporations do the political "thinking" for us, as we see a country that imprisons more people per capita than any country on earth, as we see a country that denies pensions to working class citizens so that it can cut taxes to the same corporations those working class people invested in to fund the very pensions they are being denied, as we see a political process that requires candidates to be sponsored by the same corporations, military industrialists, financial institutions, and "news" media franchises that are robbing us blind and lying to us…it may behoove us to reintroduce the word “revolution” to the American-English lexicon.

What more do we have to lose? Our homes? Our infrastructure? Our retirement? Our wages? Our access to healthcare?

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[–] DaBagel 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

In addition I feel like there is growing realization that as individuals we are powerless and not sure that we can even do anything to stop this.

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[–] Naught405 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We don't need trade protections, we need (enforceable) international anti-trust protections.

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