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[–] secretsquirrel2 1 points 144 points (+145|-1) ago 

The cops lied to cover their own out of control terrorist actions. Does this really surprise anyone. What would be a surprise would be the officer facing the same range of criminal charges a civilian would. This cops needs to lose more than his job. He needs to sent away for attempted murder.

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[–] Nietzsche__ 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

I love Voat!

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[–] SexyWhiteDemoman 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

The cops are also much more well armed than the citizens, so the cops will quiet down anybody who tries to teach them a lesson fairly quickly.

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[–] Ancient_Unknown 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

First world governments have a really genius method of population control, by giving its people the illusion of freedom, it can keep them just complacent enough to allow the government to take full control over every aspect of its citizens' lives.

<south park canadian accent> Oh what's that? Another cop murdered an innocent civilian? Don't worry about that, buddy! Look! We legalized gay marriage! Also Bruce Jenner cut his dick off!</accent>

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[–] prisonersandpriests 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

Exactly. The great majority of police officers and aspiring police officers I've met in my lifetime have had some sort of complex that made them want to wield power over others. When they do, they lie about it so they can continue to wield power.

This guy should be put in a cell with everyone he ever arrested.

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[–] d_r0ck 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Not to nitpick, but cops are civilians as well. I totally agree, though.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They need to be reminded of this, quite stringently.

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[–] Spiral_Out 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

All cops should be put through random "phantom-shopper"-like tests that challenge their authority (by people hired by a 3rd party, civilian accountability organization). If they fail to act responsibly or courteous to those who are paying for their job, they should get suspended (or worse, depending on their actions). In the end, the responsibility lies in the hands of those who have be sanctioned/licensed to use lethal force to be an icon of restraint and honor.

Also, cops hardly get any sentencing or slapped with criminal charges because they are friends with the judges and attorneys/lawyers at their local court houses. They deal with them quite frequently. "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

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[–] cpebach 0 points 78 points (+78|-0) ago 

Question: How many cops does it take to push an alleged perpetrator down a flight of stairs?

Answer: None...he just fell.

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[–] InyourfaceNancyGrace 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

And landed on about a dozen bullets. Poor guy, what luck.

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[–] GoogleKnowsBest 2 points 20 points (+22|-2) ago 

Sprinkle some crack on him Johnson

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[–] ilovepussy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

"Worst case of suicide I've ever seen."

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[–] klongtoey 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

"I thought he was charging at me backwards while shrinking"

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Why all officers aren't required to have cameras on their person at all times is beyond my comprehension. Any officer not wearing his camera or turning it off for any reason should be discharged from the force and barred from holding any similar position for a minimum of 10 years

It shouldn't take a third-party camera to show this. It shouldn't have happened in the first place but at the least it shouldn't take the bar's camera to show what happened.

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[–] wuzizname 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Apparently cops aren't even required to wear proper uniforms or identify themselves to anyone before they start shooting you.

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[–] Der_Fuhrer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Apparently they need to identify themselves in order to prevent being shot back at, though. If they don't identify, the shooter can claim self defense. Usually.

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[–] namealreadytaken 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Body cams are irrelevant, the cops will almost always get away scot-free. About the only time they wont is when it's essentially an execution followed by planting a gun/drugs.

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Why do you think they'll get away with it? Why wouldn't the camera show their wrongdoing?

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[–] JTtheGeek 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Because the very people in charge of prosecuting them are the same people that work with the cops in prosecuting criminals. There is a massive conflict of interest in using the DA to investigate and prosecute cops, but no one seems to be focusing on changing that hole. It's something like %95 of these cases aren't even prosecuted and something like %98+ never result in any sort of conviction, and only something like <1% of those actually result in jail time. It's fucked, and we're fucked until this changes.

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[–] Absolem 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Damnit, I agree. I went on my own bodycam rant before I scrolled down far enough. It's fucking unbelievable. We rely on personal testimony in so many cases.... WHY? It's the LEAST reliable form of evidence. It's not like there isn't a really fucking obvious, cheap, viable solution that the entire population is telling you about. Every case could be a slam dunk. If there's cops who don't want this, remove them from the force, they're DEFINITELY the wrong people to be in this job.

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[–] deadspider187 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

One of the most pressing reasons this has not become widespread yet is the cost of video storage for these devices. For fully-redundant storage the cost for these skyrocket.

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[–] Wmb102er 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago 

The "through a crowd of people" is the really scary part with cops. Even when their target is guilty, they often hit the wrong guy.

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[–] TH0UGHTP0LICE 1 points 35 points (+36|-1) ago 

But I keep hearing that only cops should be allowed to have guns!

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[–] magnetismen 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I have been a bit torn by this issue, but whether you like it or not, one of the things that define a state is its monopoly on violence. Now, misinterpret me correctly here, as this monopoly does not mean that you should be able to go about and do whatever you prefer and get away with it just because you belong to a government-backed organisation (i.e., the police). This only entails "legitimate" use of violence. The problem comes from how you define this "legitimate use".

I don't live in the US so I am not too familiar with the gun control debate over there, but personally I don't see how putting guns on both sides would solve this (as fighting fire with fire usually results in a lot of fire).

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[–] Wmb102er 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Sadly.

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[–] shh_coffee 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Exactly. I remember a few years ago here in NYC, there was an incident where cops shot at a guy (I think it was in Times Square?) and missed all their shots but ended up wounding like three people on the street.

The worth of taking down one person should not outweigh the safety of all those around them.

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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

give those cops some quarters to go practice at the arcade.

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[–] takshis 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It makes me think back to House of Cards where Meechum was fired for shooting a burglar fleeing from him in a residential area.

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[–] HexTq 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you Usa

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[–] heili 0 points 44 points (+44|-0) ago 

Three words.

War on drugs.

Cops in the US firmly believe they are fighting a war and that everyone without a badge is on the other side of that 'thin blue line.'

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[–] HexTq 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

When i was a kid i looked at the US as the best place on Earth. Nowadays? I hope i never have to go there. Its sad.

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

But it's not like we are the only country that joined on to that "war". So why does it seem it has only affected the US like this?

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't think it's the war on drugs. Cops are specifically trained to see everyone as a potential criminal. It's like they get insecure thinking that the criminals will out smart them. Which is ironic, because they are working for criminals. As you said, the war on drugs isn't a war at all. It's just a price fixing scheme so that certain cartels can set the price. It's been so fucking observed it's sad that it even has to be pointed out: approved cartels work with both police/CIA/ATF and banks to import drugs into america.

And who goes to jail over this? Nobody, because the police work for criminals.

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

War on drugs is a symptom of the governmental takeover by crypto(meaning they don't admit it)-fascists.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

What's funny to me right now, is the guys over at /v/protectandserve are whining that the "quality" of /v/news is falling because we're posting articles about police abuse and down voating police apologism. I say keep it up guys, these dirty pigs deserve to be called out and if apologists don't like it they can go fuck themselves. Anyone denying the police violence and corruption issue in this country is a part of the problem and deserves ANY flak they get.

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[–] Adrinus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

And to you too good sir.

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The apologists are just acting on primal instincts. They see an attack on a bad cop as an attack on all cops. So instead of separating themselves from the bad cop, they are effectively absorbing the bad cops flack.

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[–] Absolem 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

How long until we have mandatory body cams for every police officer? We have the fucking technology. How long we just going to keep seeing these stories with nothing being done about them?

Mandatory. Body cams. No footage? You weren't clocked in.

Why the FUCK are we relying on personal testimony? The LEAST reliable form of evidence, when we have the tech to make it absurdly easy to have rock solid evidence, every time. Every case could be a slam dunk. If there's police officers who don't want this, they're bad cops.

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[–] pcy623 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

But with body cam, they'll have to consider the consequences of use of force! They may have to physically chase down a suspect instead of just capping his ass!

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We have the fucking technology.

We have the technology to turn America into a true democracy. To allow the people to vote on any legal issue. Why isn't that turned on yet?

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[–] Absolem 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I actually made a post about this earlier in another thread. :D

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[–] epsilona01 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And even then, body cam footage needs to be in the hands of someone trustworthy, open, and accountable. Or we'll just get more chopped dashcam footage.

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[–] curtislow1 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Police should have private liability insurance as other professions that have control over life and death like physicians, dentists, nurses and veterinarians. If there is a bad actor in the group, they aren't expected to have the government pay for their transgression. The insurance pays and their rates go up. If the person continues to have pay outs, the rates become prohibitive. This increased cost frequently drives out the bad player. The fact that the municipalities, ie taxpayers, payout these huge sums in administrative leave, investigations, legal costs and ultimately millions of dollars in restitution, exemplifies the reason that liability insurance is needed for this group. We need to be physically and financially protected from these individuals shielded by the group.

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[–] What_was_that_2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Hear, hear

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[–] wwwhistler 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

having the officers carry their own insurance also helps with the problem of the higher ups interceding on the LEOs behalf. these decisions would be made by the insurance co...not uncle Ralph

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