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[–] blackhawks-fan [S] 2 points 149 points (+151|-2) ago 

The Hillary train wreck continues.

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[–] Sylos 1 points 162 points (+163|-1) ago 

Good riddance. She's sketchy as hell and a warhawk. I hope she loses big time.

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[–] Bathroom_Humor 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

True. I wouldn't mind her message so much if I didn't know she was a fucking liar, who buckles to the whim of the largest purse. Not to say that the other side of the political system is offering up much better. Almost all of them are obscenely unqualified to help this country.

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[–] NU17 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

Not a very journalistic type of word but she is damn sketchy, super sketch

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[–] jazir5 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Sanders is by FAR the better choice. He is already polling with almost equivalent results with almost a third of respondents not even knowing who he is. It only goes up from there

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[–] SickSean 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

She's also a parasitic carpetbagger, that cared more about 9/11 than the rest of the state.

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[–] POTATOES_IN_MY_ANUS 2 points 49 points (+51|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I can't really stand any of the candidates, Hillary the least of them.

Fixing America's voting system to take away electoral voting and actually disallow parties might be what should be done. Giving each person who wants to run a set amount of funds instead of giving the rich the best chance to advertise themselves and get further funding from corporations might fix quite a few problems.

Edit: Clarification. I worded the above sentence wrong. Was trying to say that the rich have the best chance of funding themselves to win and that leads to corporations paying more attention to said rich and giving them further funding.

Then again, I'm a fan of Norway's system of a monarchy/democracy/welfare system. Ranked freest country in the world baby! Who knows if it could be translated to a country of 300+ million though...

Also, the founding fathers of America probably didn't see the monster known as lobbying and corporate interest coming. Sad that laws weren't put in place as soon as both of those were obviously a problem.

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[–] austenite12 5 points 41 points (+46|-5) ago 

No love for Bernie? Every word out of that man's mouth makes me want to kiss him.

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[–] spjt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Giving each person who wants to run a set amount of funds

How would you decide who gets the funds? Everyone in the country would run if you just fill out a form and get a check.

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[–] housefullofestrogen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Here's an intersting article. It explains why the Scandinavian model isn't a good fit for the US.

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[–] AllOverTheLawn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I see her views and history and wonder how the hell she's painted blue.

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[–] boy_aint_right 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I sometimes wonder if the politicians are trying to out-crazy each other, especially with all the insane shit Trump has been doing lately. Or, it could be Trump being Trump.

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[–] newoldwave 1 points 82 points (+83|-1) ago 

I think the Hillary is a two faced crook that sold out to big money (big corporations and banks). She makes me sick with her "I'm for the people" shilling.

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[–] NU17 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

I'm young but I've never researched a candidate as corrupt as her

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[–] pray_the_gay_away 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

There are definitely some worse ones, but she is pretty awful. She tends to gravitate towards the biggest and most powerful interests too. Mega banks, foreign dictators, teachers union, etc.

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[–] jollycynic 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

There are worse candidates, but rarely do they make it past the state governor level.

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[–] bandworthy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Trump???!! Huckabee!! I hope you just mean as corrupt not even more corrupt. I don't really know the American system maybe you just mean runners for one party? We don't have this stuff in Australia its just the party leader that gets it. So for me I just see all of them both sides indie and even though i'm on the other side of the world its scaring the crap out of me!...

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[–] I_am_Hillary_Clinton 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Your a two faced crook!

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[–] PeacefulAssassin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Great! The only thing I can imagine now is Hillary as Two-Face. It is scary

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[–] upboatsnhoes 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You're*

Grammar, Hil-Dawg. Grammar.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

heh heh

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[–] nomenimion 1 points 67 points (+68|-1) ago 

She's a crappy candidate. If she were a winner she would have beaten Barack in 2008.

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[–] blackhawks-fan [S] 6 points 37 points (+43|-6) ago 

The DNC chose to play the race card to guarantee victory rather than give Hillary the nomination. She wasn't a sure thing but putting a black guy in was. I bet she is just wrapped around the axel now because it's her turn to president now that Obama is on the way out but her campaign is sinking fast and she's afraid she will get shunned again. Good times!

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ESSENCE 1 points 33 points (+34|-1) ago 

McCain also thought it was "his turn" to be president.

Fuck that dynastic shit.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Does that mean the race card trumps the gender card?

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[–] boater 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Nonsense. The primary reason Obama was the 2008 nominee was because he had opposed the Iraq War since 2002 and Hillary Clinton had voted for it.

You have to understand that the level of anger core Democratic voters participating in the nomination process had over the Iraq War was phenomenally high at the time, and they chose Obama over Hillary in order to repudiate it

Obama also ran a much tighter campaign and didn't have any Brian Williams moments like Clinton did when she falsely claimed to have been under sniper fire when visiting Bosnia. That was also a big deal at the time.

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[–] rationalinquisition 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't think it can be simplified that much. Obama ran an excellent campaign, and generated tons of (misplaced) enthusiasm. He wasn't elected because the DNC was logically thinking he could play the race card to beat Ol' Mitt. People genuinely liked him, and thought he was going to change things (lies notwithstanding).

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[–] akuta 2 points 30 points (+32|-2) ago 

But the fact that she's a woman means if you're not supporting her you're sexist. /s

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[–] The_Desert_Fox 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That worked quite well for Obama. If you didn't support him you were a racist. It's still working today. If you criticize Obama, you're a racist.

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[–] I_am_Hillary_Clinton 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Your a crappy candidate.

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[–] MySubtleKnife 1 points 50 points (+51|-1) ago 

I like how the commentators are like, "Woah, we missed something." Yes, you missed the fact that everyone is completely fed up with all of these assholes. It is all establishment bullshit and people are tired of it.

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[–] Zodi 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Give it 50 years. Remember, the generation that fucked your mom on xbox is going to control the nation at one point.

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[–] 6double5321 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

6bn missing, conveniently after her private emails are all dumped.

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[–] anonagent 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

wait what did i miss?

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[–] BigSwami 7 points 34 points (+41|-7) ago 

The thing about Hillary Clinton is that she's absolutely no worse than any of the other establishment candidates the Democrats have put forward in the last 30 years or so. Better, in some ways. But the last time, she ran against a terrifically talented orator who just happened to be a black legal scholar; this time, she's running against a disarmingly honest leftist populist during a time of extraordinary inequality.

There isn't anything especially wrong with Hillary that wasn't also wrong with John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, etc. Where things are wrong is with the Democratic Party establishment, thinking that another middle-of-the-road wealthy establishment candidate is what is going to drive people to vote on Election Day. I'd venture to say that putting forth yet another one - with a repeat last name, no less! - has risen the bile of most left-leaning voters. She can't do what Sanders does, she can't really appeal to his supporters at all, and she can't be anything other than what she is. If she takes the primaries, there will be an army of voters who are going to stay home on Election Day in 2016, and it may be enough to count as a shocking loss to whatever certifiable crazy person the Republicans put forth.

2016 should be a walk in the park for the Democrats, but if they keep trying to contain Sanders, it's going to be a colossal disaster. The safe establishment candidate is simply not enough anymore. The system for deciding who will throw their hats into the ring isn't good enough anymore.

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[–] Balrogic 1 points 32 points (+33|-1) ago 

She sold weapons to foreign powers that were giving her secret contributions into her personal accounts at her charity organization. If she's no worse than any other establishment candidate then the entire establishment needs to get burned to the ground.

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[–] Ranzera 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's not like any of us are stopping you or anything...

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[–] BigSwami 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I keep saying to people: it's like college football. Any time someone in college football is held up as a paradigm of good moral standards, you should be filled with the urge to vomit. Politics and college football are both terrible, ugly affairs, and there's not a person involved in either who should have your respect.

However, that doesn't mean they can't be effective. Good administration and corruption are not mutually exclusive. Do not fool yourself: the people in positions of power today in our country are exactly the same people they were throughout the history of the world in every empire. They're all using their job mainly to further their own interests, and then ours if they have any time left over. Nothing really ever changes.

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[–] AP01 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Wish I could give you two upvotes. The Dems keep trying to marginalize and ignore Sanders, hoping he'll just go away. I guess they think he is unelectable, either because he doesn't have enough financial support or because he's too far left. But I think trying to ram Hillary down peoples' throats will cost them the general election. The young and minority voters that swept Obama into office will largely sit this one out because they perceive her as wealthy, unprincipled and craven. Once you've got that bad of a reputation, trying to drive turnout will be like pushing on a string.

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[–] rspix000 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

Yikes, great stuff--the BigSwami has spoken. I, and I suspect quite a few libtards ;) in Murica were fooled by said talented orator's purdy words who then disappointed mightily. It makes us much more leery of campaign pander:

Hillary Clinton's numbers have dropped among voters in the key swing states of Colorado, Iowa and Virginia. She has lost ground in the horserace and on key questions about her honesty and leadership

Source

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[–] rivalarrival 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If she takes the primaries, there will be an army of voters who are going to stay home on Election Day in 2016, and it may be enough to count as a shocking loss to whatever certifiable crazy person the Republicans put forth.

No, there won't. Sanders isn't a stubborn jackass. Clinton will ask him to be her VP, and he'll likely accept. Then she'll name Elizabeth Warren to Secretary of Treasury, ticking all the important boxes.

A Clinton/Sanders ticket with Warren in Treasury would be pretty fucking hard for the GOP to beat. The icing on the cake will be some marijuana issues on swing-state ballots in 2016 to drag out the youth vote and put her over the top.

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[–] Ebenbane 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

I don't want anyone that's spent time in the Whitehouse or is related to a former president or vice president

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[–] WiseThat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You know, I'm torn. On the one hand, candidates with whitehouse experience ought to make the most qualified and effective presidents... on the other, it is very possible to be too good and too involved in the politics of things.

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[–] whynotanon1 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Let's just say the congress gave us term limits for a very good reason.

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[–] laserguidedpolarbear 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Ands the democrats / Hillary's team knows this.

That is why her strategy right now is to keep her head down, keep out of sight, keep out of public view as much as possible. She is the assumed democratic nominee, and they know the more exposure she gets the more people will start pushing for alternatives. The longer they hold off on the inevitable backlash, the less likely another candidate is to beat her out in the primaries.

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[–] anonagent 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

and that would be fine if she were running against another status quo candidate, but she's not; she's running against someone who has captured lighting in a bottle, and her strategy is 100% useless as a defense, it's only causing her to lose even more mindshare, and she's falling into a death spiral because of it.

Good riddance.

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[–] Zodi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And bernie's on the right side of all issues. (in my opinion.)

If Hillary takes up the opposite opinion, she's seen as a conservative. She has to follow in his footsteps, or stay quiet. That doesn't help either way, because then people are more likely to vote for Bernie.

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[–] TrivialGravitas 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The strategy will still work unless Bernie can win over the blacklivesmatter people, who seem hellbent on tearing him down despite Hillary being part of the very same administration that ignored the problems till they erupted (but they have said without a hint of irony, that Obama being black means he gets a free pass on being useless on race issues).

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[–] AP01 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If the strategy is to hide the ball for as long as possible, then that doesn't bode well for her.

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