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Well, the goal of the Übermensch would BE to BECOME the technocrats.
Don't confuse my intention though. I'm not saying the current technocrats ARE Übermensch. (Although there might be a few who are worthy. Elon Musk might be a proto-Übermench. I'm not entirely convinced, but, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.)
Some form of technocracy is going to be required in a civilization of Übermensch, because we don't need billions of Übermensch. We need maybe a few million Übermensch supported by automation.
The trick here is to be forward thinking and to make sure your descendants are worthy of being Übermensch and not cattle.
For instance, someone who is worthy of the distinction of proto-Übermensch knows that self driving cars are inevitable one way or another it IS going to happen. So, instead of complaining about it, he learns how to be the one building the technology and buying stock in companies who are developing this technology.
On the other hand, the non-proto-Übermensch complains about how technology is going to make him irrelevant, but despite this, he "keeps on trucking" until he is layed off from his job as a long-haul trucker.
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Ubermensch would be smart enough to recognize the utter inferiority of a technocracy and the superiority of economic calculation under a free market. you both need to be gassed.
You do hit home, that I am accumulating capital for the gradual replacement for the need for my labor.
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You are looking at this from the perspective of a person who isn't an Übermensch. Which, isn't wrong. Given the present situation, you are being rational. But, a race of ultra-responsible people would handle a technocracy much differently than we would because their needs will be drastically different than the needs of us barbaric "humans".
A technocracy and a free market aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, if run by philosopher kings, like Übermensch, they are complementary.
A technocracy is basically saying "Politicians don't make medical policy. Medical policy is defined by the relationship between doctors and patients." Which is basically how a free market is SUPPOSED to work.
A technocracy doesn't work now because we aren't Übermensch. Most people are inferior, and as a result, we waste a lot of energy, effort, and resources to attend to the needs of the inferior classes. This manifests itself in bad ways in that individuals are incentivized to game the system in ways which are detrimental just because they are afraid of losing what they have due to an instable system created by everyone else gaming the system.
A civilization of Übermensch would handle things much differently. Because the irresponsible people are extinct, there isn't an imperative to game the system.
The Übermensch doctor isn't a doctor because he wants to be rich. (Although he'll probably still be wealthier than the Übermensch trash-man). The Übermensch doctor will be a doctor because it interests him and challenges him. And the Übermench trash-man will be a trash-man because it is an honorable profession which is celebrated by everyone because of his necessity. And, maybe the Übermensch trash man just enjoys building and flying trash-drones. Maybe he likes the science of turning trash back into something useful. I'd like that job!
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Well, the goal of the Übermensch would BE to BECOME the technocrats.
Don't confuse my intention though. I'm not saying the current technocrats ARE Übermensch. (Although there might be a few who are worthy. Elon Musk might be a proto-Übermench. I'm not entirely convinced, but, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.)
Some form of technocracy is going to be required in a civilization of Übermensch, because we don't need billions of Übermensch. We need maybe a few million Übermensch supported by automation.
The trick here is to be forward thinking and to make sure your descendants are worthy of being Übermensch and not cattle.
For instance, someone who is worthy of the distinction of proto-Übermensch knows that self driving cars are inevitable one way or another it IS going to happen. So, instead of complaining about it, he learns how to be the one building the technology and buying stock in companies who are developing this technology.
On the other hand, the non-proto-Übermensch complains about how technology is going to make him irrelevant, but despite this, he "keeps on trucking" until he is layed off from his job as a long-haul trucker.
[–] ForTheUltimate ago (edited ago)
Ubermensch would be smart enough to recognize the utter inferiority of a technocracy and the superiority of economic calculation under a free market. you both need to be gassed.
You do hit home, that I am accumulating capital for the gradual replacement for the need for my labor.
[–] Master_Foo 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
You are looking at this from the perspective of a person who isn't an Übermensch. Which, isn't wrong. Given the present situation, you are being rational. But, a race of ultra-responsible people would handle a technocracy much differently than we would because their needs will be drastically different than the needs of us barbaric "humans".
A technocracy and a free market aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, if run by philosopher kings, like Übermensch, they are complementary.
A technocracy is basically saying "Politicians don't make medical policy. Medical policy is defined by the relationship between doctors and patients." Which is basically how a free market is SUPPOSED to work.
A technocracy doesn't work now because we aren't Übermensch. Most people are inferior, and as a result, we waste a lot of energy, effort, and resources to attend to the needs of the inferior classes. This manifests itself in bad ways in that individuals are incentivized to game the system in ways which are detrimental just because they are afraid of losing what they have due to an instable system created by everyone else gaming the system.
A civilization of Übermensch would handle things much differently. Because the irresponsible people are extinct, there isn't an imperative to game the system.
The Übermensch doctor isn't a doctor because he wants to be rich. (Although he'll probably still be wealthier than the Übermensch trash-man). The Übermensch doctor will be a doctor because it interests him and challenges him. And the Übermench trash-man will be a trash-man because it is an honorable profession which is celebrated by everyone because of his necessity. And, maybe the Übermensch trash man just enjoys building and flying trash-drones. Maybe he likes the science of turning trash back into something useful. I'd like that job!