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[–] Ripper 20 points 20 points (+40|-20) ago 

Well I am a manager that is trying to keep his department afloat and has to take in price of labor in the numbers that I present to justify my job and keep my bank from closing the doors. Real world struggle. We pay 15 bucks per hour but we do like to have a year or two experience on the job and able to justify their employment. Plus we like to think that a job producing a product is much more valuable than flipping burgers, or stocking shelves. What's the point of working hard if the same dip shit who plays GTA all day, gets paid the same as the guy who busts his ass. Why make yourself better? Study harder to get a leg up on others?


[–] ObiWannaBlowMe 3 points 26 points (+29|-3) ago 

So, no. No you don't.


[–] Ripper 11 points 4 points (+15|-11) ago 

Because heavily Government subsidized university studies should always be taken as the truth. Maybe we can get something from the Brookings Institute to argue for it also. They were so dead on in 2006. I don't care enough to really research it but raising the wages 100% will not be a pancea for people. I mean when has a Government involvement ever turned into a boondoggle?


[–] Beers 6 points 22 points (+28|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Crab mentality. You don't want the people below you getting ahead?

By the way, minimum wage workers aren't "dip shits who play GTA all day." Maybe you should try getting a minimum wage job and see how easy it is? It's probably harder than yours, more tiresome than yours, and more depressing than yours. It's probably much more difficult to "flip burgers" than it is managing a store, because when you flip burgers, you have to deal with assholes who think you're inhuman just because the economy is shitty. You have to deal with assholes who think you're a dip shit that plays GTA all day. You have to come to terms that people think you're less valuable than everyone else, that you're disposable, that you're lazy, that you're subhuman, that you're a problem, that you're a leech, that you're uneducated, that you're being greedy for asking for enough money to live on. Because some guy who went to school paid by daddy and landed in middle management thinks he's hot shit and you're pond scum.

FYI, I don't flip burgers, and make more than 15 bucks an hour. Also, I'm not crying about min wage increasing, I don't think it's the best way about things, but whatever, what can you expect from career politicians anyway?


[–] Ripper 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I did. I started out at a minimum wage job at Wendys making 5.15. Then worked a crap ton of hours while going to school and moved up in a company. I never thought flipping burgers was hard, it was a job that anyone could do so it paid that wage, and generally was very fun. Once again with all the BLS numbers the economy is not shitty, it's actually through the roof? Wait your saying that Government and University numbers are bogus? That there is no real growth but only nominal growth to try and extract more and more out of us?

Sorry for the remark about dipshits though. I'm trying to calm down from Reddit days lol. I actually feel bad for these posts. I was saying that there needs to be rewards for harder work, etc. just in a jerk way.

I do think that you are right about the crabbucket though and i'm even starting to say that perhaps these people do fall in crab buckets need some sort of way out. I see it with people with single income families making more than 15 bucks an hour, and see people barely making it who have kids also. I think that 15 bucks won't fix the bigger picture as people are becoming poorer each year from devaluing and price inflation. The pull yourself up by the bootstraps attitude doesn't work i'll give you that. The give money for nothing doesn't work either in my opinion, but I get what you are saying i'm at least going to try and listen to the argument. Creating wage inflation from the bottom up may be the solution. It can't get any worse IMHO.


[–] PushYourself 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Anyone can flip burgers. Not everyone is good at managing time, following standards, keeping people motivated, keeping customers orders straight, providing excellent customer service, maintaining food quality and safety standards.

Ever been to a particular fast food chain restaurant and loved it, and then gone to another one and thought it sucked? That's because the shitty one has poor training, and even worse managers.

(If you are at all in doubt, I am agreeing with you)


[–] nomarthedog 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Who are they getting ahead of? If this were to ever to go through, I already told my wife that we are raising the rent on our two apartments we own 30% when the leases are up because it is going to cost me more to get anything fixed if it breaks. I probably will get downvoated, but I am a great landlord. I don't charge a late fee and mostly get grad students as tenents.


[–] lolol42 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

that you're uneducated

Right, because it takes a lot of formal education and a high GPA to clean a grill.


[–] AmericanCheese 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I'm not sure how this is an appropriate response to paranatural's request for evidence that demonstrates that when minimum wage increases so too does unemployment.


[–] Ripper 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I mean the Stock Market is at all time highs, real estate is flourishing, unemployment is at 5% why are we even debating this? Why do they need 15 dollars per hour, the country is booming right now according to the stats and metrics? CPI is what 1%. I mean those are all legit numbers? Hell we have had a 6 year bull market with the dollar soaring against all other currencies?


[–] Mr_Winsterhammerman 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

How could a bank manager have such a horrible understanding of economics?

Banks profit when people put money in the bank. What do you suppose will happen when your customers have more money? They put it in the bank which means you've got more money to lend to all the idiots who just got a pay raise. If you're really that worried about paying tellers an additional dollar an hour to stay competitive consider taking a slightly smaller bonus this year to make up for it.


[–] Matter_and_Form 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's the real problem though, is that no one has ever thought to themselves, "I should take this increase in cost of business out of my profit." Like sales tax. If you think about it, it is a tax on "sales", not "buys"... But that doesn't stop every business in existence from passing the cost directly to the consumer. Same with any sort of industry regulation costs (oil companies don't pay their pipeline safety people, you do, they calculate it into the price of every gallon of crude, and down into every gallon of gas). Somewhere along the line we got it in our minds that there were fixed prices for goods (the amount profit for the company itself), and then we tack on all of the costs of production, transport, etc onto that base price. Of course, this is ass-backwards according to basic free market theory, but it's yet another instance of the tail wagging the dog in capitalist reality.

That's really the problem with the world economy in general, is that when you look at it most if not pretty much all business people suck at real economics, and we wind up with this broken half-assed implementation of capitalism.