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[–] brokenfingers 12 points 152 points (+164|-12) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not fan of the high minimum wage, but I have to disagree with your 'tough love' ideas here. You have to come to terms with the idea that there are a lot of people in this country that are not going to be scientists, or accountants, or any other college level career. Yet most of them are more than willing to put in a 40 hour work week and contribute to society. Should they be penalized because they don't fit into your particular view of being valuable citizens? I wouldn't argue they should have upper middle class incomes, but in my opinion anyone willing to put in a full week's worth of work should be paid a living wage.

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[–] voat- 5 points 19 points (+24|-5) ago 

So you think it's fair to have equal wages for people who actually go get an education and better themselves? There is no incentive to thrive if your making a high wage with NO SKILLS

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[–] Tonguestun 6 points 34 points (+40|-6) ago 

I'd argue that they'd be more incentivised to better themselves if they didn't have to worry about how to pay rent this month or scrape enough up to feed themselves.

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[–] arisoncain 6 points 19 points (+25|-6) ago 

Who said anything about equal wages? If the minimum wage is raised, then the wages for skilled workers will increase to correspond with that hike. This has happened time and again in history.

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[–] sailorbrendan 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I currently am making below minimum wage (salaried) because I love what I'm doing. I have put a lot of time and effort into my career and licensing for doing it.

Money isn't the only thing that decides what job someone will do. When I walk past a burger king with a help wanted sign I'm not gonna walk in and apply because the pay bump.

And maybe skilled labor is being underpaid in this country.

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

He never said equal wages. 40 hrs per week at $15/hr is $600/week or $28,800 per yeah. Even young public school teachers with little experience make more than that per year and don't work 40 hours a week for the whole year, they don't work during most of the summer or winter break unless they are in a senior position making their own curriculum in which case they get paid much more. $15/hr is not a lot, as an engineering student I get paid more doing an internship.

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[–] Acetylsalicylin 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago  (edited ago)

You have to come to terms with the idea that there are a lot of people in this country that are not going to be scientists, or accountants, or any other college level career. Yet most of them are more than willing to put in a 40 hour work week and contribute to society.

They should be learning a trade. Plumbers, electricians, welders. Skilled labores who work hard, put in their 40 or more per week, and earn a good living.

Mike Rowe (from Dirty Jobs) is a big advocate of this - there is a major shortage of skilled labor in this country, because (I think) everyone either aims too high getting a useless degree that they can't find a job for, or aims too low and wants to work unskilled jobs like burger flipping while still getting paid skilled labor rates.

Learn to be a roofer, or a carpenter, or any number of jobs where you will be a glorified gopher making next to nothing while also learning the trade to eventually become a skilled laborer.

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[–] sailorbrendan 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Why do I get the feeling that you're the kind of person who looks down on baristas and doesn't make their own coffee well.

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[–] SteelKidney 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Glad I read through a bit- figured someone would be pointing this out before I got to it. Add to your list any kind of road construction and the fact that shale oil companies are hiring anyone with a pulse and clean urine. At least, last I checked.

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[–] yergi 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

most of them are more than willing to put in a 40 hour work week and contribute to society.

So, what you're talking about here is trade skills. Trade skills do not typically hire hire at a minimum wage, and don't typically require schooling. Skills are earned on the job. I know plumbers that make 65k a year. I'm not exaggerating.

People earning minimum wage are largely the people without skills, and don't typically build skills by working at that job. If you were to hike the wage to 15 bucks an hour, the workers will be increasingly replaced with more automation. (Honestly, I would rather have my burgers made my robots. Robots don't catch colds.)

Hiking a minimum wage doesn't help the people you are talking about.

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[–] Sosacms 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Can we start dividing up states for those who want to build a we're all in this together community and those who want an everyone for themselves "community".

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[–] Atsu333 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Civil War V2! Bring it on!