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[–] 5forsilver 19 points 68 points (+87|-19) ago 

I see a lot of people against this in the thread. So then what is your alternative? people with jobs that mean they can't afford to live? doesn't everyone deserve to make a livable wage working 40 hours a week?

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[–] Clayton 64 points 76 points (+140|-64) ago  (edited ago)

doesn't everyone deserve to make a livable wage working 40 hours a week?

No. Plain and simple. The cook at your local McDonalds should not be making $15/hour. They should be in high school, or attempting to further their education to get a higher paying job. Most people that make minimum wage are either working through high school, or they are not willing to further their education.

If someone wants more than minimum wage they should put in the effort to not make minimum wage. Want to make $20/hour? Study something other than a popular degree. Get a degree in something that actually makes sense and that is in high demand. Not something easy that everyone does just to slap a degree on their wall.

EDIT: Damn autocorrect

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[–] brokenfingers 12 points 152 points (+164|-12) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not fan of the high minimum wage, but I have to disagree with your 'tough love' ideas here. You have to come to terms with the idea that there are a lot of people in this country that are not going to be scientists, or accountants, or any other college level career. Yet most of them are more than willing to put in a 40 hour work week and contribute to society. Should they be penalized because they don't fit into your particular view of being valuable citizens? I wouldn't argue they should have upper middle class incomes, but in my opinion anyone willing to put in a full week's worth of work should be paid a living wage.

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[–] let_them_eat_slogans 1 points 66 points (+67|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If people aren't making enough money to live from their jobs, then they're going on benefits. Do you prefer paying for these people (and thus subsidizing the businesses they work for) through your tax dollars?

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[–] Cody-WanKenobi 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I work as a country club cook, providing quasi-fine dining. I only make $14/hr, but goddamnit I worked hard to get that rate. There is no way they are going to hike my pay up to 20/hr to maintain the same gap between McChef and me. I'll get a $1 raise that was already coming and make the same as a McChef who doesn't deserve $40k/yr. Fuck that. Fuck that yesterday and twice on Sunday.

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[–] let_them_eat_slogans 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

There's no real alternative.

You can raise the minimum wage, and force businesses to offer liveable wages.

You can keep wages low, and continue to subsidize low wage workers through your tax dollars via the social safety net.

Or you can keep wages low, cut the social safety net, and suffer the societal consequences of higher poverty rates (crime et al).

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[–] dart200 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

I honestly don't see what's wrong with "forcing" them to be decent human beings and pay people liveable wages ...

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[–] anonsfuckbuddy 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

Depends on if they have a family or not. If you're only paying for yourself, I'd say 10 dollars per hour is certainly bearable.

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[–] Clayton 14 points 15 points (+29|-14) ago  (edited ago)

If you're making minimum wage and you have kids you should be reexamining your life's decisions while you're getting a degree to better your children's future instead of looking for the government to step in and save you. I have seen way too many kids have a poor childhood because their parents made minimum wage and refused to get a better education to support their family.

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[–] yergi 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

...so I need to sire like 12 kids, right? Would that put rims on my car?

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[–] Poco 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

doesn't everyone deserve to make a livable wage working 40 hours a week?

The problem with that is who decides which jobs qualify or why? If I want to watch TV for 40 hours a week who is going to pay me to do it?

Do I deserve a livable wage for doing anything?

If not then why should I be guaranteed one for other types of work that do not deserve minimum wage? Why is it legal for me to watch 40 hours of TV for free but illegal for you to give me any money to do it below 40*minimum wage? What happens between the free and $600? Does it mean that I need to be paid under the table? No income tax?

If I don't deserve a livable wage for doing literally anything then I don't deserve it for doing the job that is worth $5 a week or one worth $10 a week.

Do you pay the kid down the block $600 a week to mow your lawn? Why not? What if you were the only lawn that he mows? Should you be fined and jailed for not paying him enough?