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[–] the_gamer_rises 4 points 153 points (+157|-4) ago 

this is happening all over the world. i hope uber stays strong. these taxi monopolies need to be smashed and i am glad to see them running scared on literally every continent... yes even antarctica.

taxi drivers are such entitled assholes. they think they can provide a shit service and charge what ever they like and we are supposed to just deal with it because lobbyists working for the cab companies keep their monopoly good and tight?

but now all of a sudden the taxi companies are having a cry because someone is putting consumers first and users are leaving them in droves? fuck em.

in australia we can sometimes be waiting over an hour for a taxi. they arent forced to come and pick you up, and if the driver doesnt want to youre fucked. and when they do its usually an immigrant (which i dont mind but seems to piss a lot of others off) who tries to take you the long way around. uber does the exact opposite and these idiot cab companies wonder why no one uses their shit service anymore

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[–] czakalwe 2 points 96 points (+98|-2) ago 

How dare those Uber guys offer superior service at a lower price!

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[–] FatFreddyFreekowtski 4 points 41 points (+45|-4) ago 

Lower price because they're not charged the taxes drivers are. Believe me, if Uber had to pay what cabbies paid, they'd raise their prices too.

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[–] raymondgaf 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

it's funny... free market and capitalism is all business-folk talk about, but when it comes down to it, i don't think many of them truly believe in it. when it comes to something like this, where their business is either threatened or potentially in trouble, then the idea of capitalism/free market is out the window cause their business is the exception...

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[–] ELEVATORmenGETitUP 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

A lil more then two miles at 6 am is 12-15 dollars with a cab couldn't agree more

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[–] RunsWithScissors 1 points 48 points (+49|-1) ago 

In NYC, it's even more medallion holders who are the problem. Decades ago, corrupt city officials limited the number of taxi licenses and issued the licenses that did exist to the mafia in the form of medallions.

So if you want to drive a cab in New York, you have to pay organized criminals to rent their license.

De Blaisio is connected to that mafia syndicate system, and is working to protect it. It is not about ideas or traffic or even debate. He's corrupt, and that's his only motivation.

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[–] g-j-a 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

You sound like a fellow NYer who knows this bullshit.

When I was first told what a medallion cost I laughed and said "funny".........

Then I found out they were serious. Holy crap.

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[–] Lionstrong 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Hey. My family owns a medallion. We aren't "mobbed up". They were more affordable back in the day and people could save up to buy one like you could for a house. The issue is that medallions are rented out so the companies make money on cab drivers. They could give a shit about Uber because Uber isn't going to out-compete official yellow cabs. The TLC is simply protecting their drivers and leaning hard on Bill because of their campaign contributions. It's unethical and quite honestly, I feel that Uber should be allowed to fucking compete.

But I don't think medallion owners are going to lose out. Also, cabbies... maybe you shouldn't act like douchebags and refuse credit cards and take the long way to a destination you gobblygook speaking prick. The issue is the fucking drivers. My grandfather was a taxi driver and back in the day the majority of cabbies didn't pull the kind of shit that cabbies pull now.

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[–] Calvin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The price of a medallion in NYC has dropped dramatically. The wagons are being circled, and the mafia plays the same as the MPAA and the RIAA, so this is going to be a long drawn out process.

The average price of an individual New York taxi medallion fell to $840,000 in November, down 20 percent from its peak of $1.05 million in June 2013.

NYT source

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

It's that way in every major city, everyone complains about big government and federal government; but in reality we need national laws that protect the citizens of this country from corrupt city politics like this.

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[–] KingKittyWizard 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They're all for the free-market, right up to the point that it threatens established interests they have invested in.

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[–] Succotash 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Everyone is jumping on the Uber bandwagon, but few really understand the issues.

First why are taxicabs regulated?

To begin with taxicabs in New York are regulated because you have 10 million people within 10 square miles. Obviously if they all had a car there would be no end to the traffic jams. Cab companies are limited to the number of cars on the road to limit traffic conjestion. Uber bypasses this and adds hundreds to thousands of drivers to the already congested streets increasing traffic and impeding all of the normal commerce. Then add that cabs are required to insure their business and passengers to protect the public from any injury. Note that Uber does not require their drivers to have this same level of insurance. Next cabs are required to have a specific number of disability equipped cabs which again Uber does not have. Then cabs are required to have regular maintenance to keep them from breaking down in traffic and limiting emissions, something else Uber does not do. In all Taxi cabs have a number of costs for the common good that Uber does not. This means those lower prices are at the expense of everyone else in the community.

Second the Uber business model.

That was just the issue with taxi cabs. Uber is also doing something else that is a problem. This is the independent contractor instead of employees. A number of companies from shipping to fast food delivery have tried to make their drivers independent contractors at the cost of the employees and the public. The reason is to dodge taxes and to dodge liability for their employees actions. At the moment there are multiple lawsuits around the country concerning this issue. The ability of companies to profit from individuals and at the same time leave the individual liable for any problems is eroding. If you think about it why does Uber get 30% of any transaction for basically being a dispatch app.

So that's why Uber is having a lot of legal issues right now and being limited to where they can operate. There may be some political backlash from established companies, but only because Uber does not have to play by the same rules they do.

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 61 points (+61|-0) ago 

I have been living in New York for 6/7 years now. Just long enough to see Bloomberg's final years push, and deBlasio coming in. What is funny is that he was elected to be a mayor "for the people". He lived in Brooklyn, he was just a millionaire rather than a billionaire, and he would favor individuals over corporations every time.

This just makes me laugh. And pack. I'm laughing while I am packing my bags. He is going against his core supporters (I didn't vote for him, mind you), he is taking corporate money/bribes, and since he took office, crime has steadily gone up and is not stopping.

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[–] whatamidoingherev 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

How did you get a "--1"

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[–] AcidicVagina 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

(-1) * (-1) = --1

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No idea... Now, it is saying +10, -0

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[–] kevinstonge 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I want a double negative

then I want to divide by zero

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[–] Fagtardicus 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

a poweruser downvoted him

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[–] whatamidoingherev 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Now you have --3. Sorry to blow up your inbox. I'll edit this one from now on.

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[–] Bainshie 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Wow, when I press the downvote button I get -NaN LOL

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wait, are you just spamming the downvoat button? Stop it

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[–] whatamidoingherev 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Reproduction steps: downvote you, refresh. Undownvote you (--1 now), downvote again (-NaN now).

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[–] RunsWithScissors 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

In JavaScript, that's what happens when you do arithmetic on "Not a Number" == NaN.

Voat bug.

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[–] whatamidoingherev 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I downvoted you and you now have "-NaN". This is fun. Don't take the downvote personally... I'm just experimenting.

Edit: you now have "NaN points" lmao.

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What

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[–] Zaqwert 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Progress can't be stopped.

The MPAA fought VCR's. The RIAA fought MP3's.

The future comes whether you want it to or not.

Taxi companies are going the way of the dodo.

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[–] fourthcoming 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Progress can't be stopped, but it can be slowed down and sometimes it has to wait for stubborn, corrupt old men to die and that pisses me off.

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[–] TwentySeven 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Until the corrupt old men are replaced by corrupt young men and the cycle repeats.

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[–] ProjectEchelon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

And the auto dealer industry fighting Tesla

And the fossil fuel industry fighting every form of modern energy

And the trucking industry fighting driverless trucks

And the list goes on .. it's a standard fixture in this country and it won't die out anytime soon

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[–] Zaqwert 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The biggest problem is that politicians enable them. Established (but in trouble) industries use their money and position to stifle innovation and competition. The result is we're all worse off.

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[–] FatFreddyFreekowtski 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You want the fossil fuel industry in charge if you're in the US.

Unless you want everything in this country to become worthless.

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[–] OskarW85 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You call replacing professional services with ad-hoc wannabee drivers "progress"? It's all cool and hip until you need a cab at 3AM in some god forsaken place.

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[–] 123_456 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If they squash Uber, self-driving cars are going to arrive anyway. And thankfully Google and these big car companies have enough money to fight back.

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[–] PM_UR_BOOBS_4_A_POEM 4 points 25 points (+29|-4) ago 

Limiting Uber is not the answer. Making sure they pay their drivers fairly is.

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[–] toatsmavoats [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I agree, I love Uber and I love the concept. It seems to be much more market driven, and I don't really worry about getting screwed in areas where taxis aren't the major forms of transportation like I used to.

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[–] cillroy 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Why is that our job? If they don't pay their drivers fairly, let the drivers choose to take a different job. Uber does not force someone to work for them.

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[–] LordLord_IAmShitLord 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Because enforcing minimum wage is definitely the government's job.

If the complaint is that "minimum wage is not enough" then I agree with you.

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[–] pjhile 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

People telling me what 'fair' means, and then criminalizing everything else is not the answer.

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[–] jenidaninja 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

You mean "fuggedaboutit"

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[–] AstroVortex 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

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[–] Lionstrong 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I hate you.

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[–] Bodhidharma 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All right already!

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[–] Irony_Dan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Hey, howyoudoin?

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[–] JustAnotherVoater 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I was in NYC for the past 4 days, which was my very first trip into New York ever. In those 4 days, I'm pretty sure I used Uber at least 7 or 8 times. And every single time it was great. Every time I watched other people trying and failing to get a taxi to pull over for them, while I sat down and waiting for less than 2 minutes for my Uber to arrive. All of my drivers were friendly, they all gave me great ideas about things to do in the city, and they all got me to where I was going fast. Honestly I don't understand why anyone still takes taxis unless they just can't figure out the Uber app or don't know about it.

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[–] Lionstrong 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Because with Uber, isn't basically you getting into a stranger's car?

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[–] tpagetenor 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

So....like a taxi? Having a fancy livery means jack shit.

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[–] Poco 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I personally know every taxi driver in all the cities I visit so they feel more like friends than strangers. Uber will never match that.

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[–] megalonrulez 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

A pox on both their houses. I can't stand the mafia-controlled taxis in NYC. I can't stand the self-entitled we-don't-have-to-play-by-the-rules Uber corporation.

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[–] toatsmavoats [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

But the rules are stacked in favor of the taxis. If no one ever stood up to them by creating a new business models, my kids would end up being screwed by taxis when they are adults.

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[–] megalonrulez 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Limiting the number of taxi cabs is bad law that needs to be repealed. Uber is breaking or 'bending' these same bad laws for financial gain not because of a crusade to do what is correct.

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[–] abear 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

what do you have against uber? did they shit in your wheeties?

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[–] megalonrulez 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Limiting the number of taxi cabs is bad law that needs to be repealed. Uber is breaking or 'bending' these same bad laws for financial gain not because of a crusade to do what is correct.

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[–] markrod420 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I fucking hate how corrupt everyone is. If our population was smart that mayor would be booted out of office for his obvious corruption. What other reason could possibly exist. A healthy competitive market provides the best results for the consumer... his fucking constituents.

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[–] MeatPopsicle 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not that familiar with the situation myself, but

What other reason could possibly exist.

How is the city going to make up the revenue shortfall if the taxis are no longer paying as much?

Is this the reason? Even if it is, is it the only reason (probably not)? But there you have it. I'm sure the city wants to make sure they aren't losing money on Uber. Whether there is corruption going on or other issue, I will leave to people more familiar with local politics.

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[–] markrod420 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That reminds me of part of the logic police use to explain why pot should stay illegal. Because a huge part of their funding comes from tickets and asset forfeiture related to pot. If the only reason something is illegal or at a legal disadvantage is because it provides the govt with additional funds then i am completely opposed to those laws. They should not be taking services and substances away from the citizens to fund themselves.

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[–] Lionstrong 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Every goddamn candidate for mayor was corrupt.

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