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[–] g33k3ss 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Various news sources report this in a few different ways. Apparently the whole family was living in a 280-foot temporary shelter with no heat or running water. Also, "Joe is charged with allegedly threatening a neighbor and Nicole is charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest following an altercation with police when the children were taken from them." Another article mentions that the oldest son accused his father of abuse.

I'm not saying what's true and what isn't, being as a lot of the Google crawl sites on both sides don't seem very reliable. However, as in most cases, there are at least two sides to the story and obviously missing facts.

It appears the children were returned though, which seems like things are working the way they should: Potential child abuse. Remove and protect the children. Return the children if abuse unfounded.

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[–] dv1155 [S] 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

It appears the children were returned though, which seems like things are working the way they should: Potential child abuse. Remove and protect the children. Return the children if abuse unfounded.

Which isn't at all how our justice system should work. It's supposed to be potential child abuse -> investigation -> due process -> take action. Taking away someone's kids based on the whim of an unelected unaccountable CPS bureaucrat is a travesty. Look up how often kids are molested, abused, or killed while in temporary foster care.

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[–] secretsquirrel2 5 points 17 points (+22|-5) ago 

Children have died waiting for investigations. Besides there was abuse. These people were not educating their children. They were raising them like animals and robbing them of any chance for a future. We need to stop thinking of children as property. Parents are care takers, not masters.

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[–] MeatPopsicle 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

unelected unaccountable CPS bureaucrat

We need to rely on their judgment because we often don't have time for the full process. You can have swift justice or you can have accurate justice. You rarely get both. Appointing someone to use their best judgment is the closest we can get to the best of both worlds, but it does rely on them being a good judge of character.

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[–] g33k3ss 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think it's a very difficult process both morally or legally from the standpoint of CPS. For instance, I also read about a lot of children killed or further abused by their own parents/guardians after being reported to CPS and before actions are taken. The agency is also lambasted in those cases. Disclaimer: I've done tech support for a CPS agency in the past and the images of abused children are something that can't be forgotten.

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

In this country we (theoretically) are guilty until proven innocent, so the parents won't be arrested or charged unless there is evidence to suggest beyond a reasonable doubt that they were wrong, but if there is sufficient evidence to suggest that there may be abuse or excessively poor living conditions then protecting the victims is completely reasonable. If there is a report of domestic abuse for example and the victim confirms it via her testimony then that's not enough to charge the potential perpetrator but it's certainly more than enough for the police to escort the victim to safety. See the difference?