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[–] libby 6 points 26 points (+32|-6) ago 

Things like this are so scary. I find an off the grid life very appealing but it seems that so many people who do it end up getting CPS on their case for no reason other than living that way.

It's frightening to think that withdrawing from modern society and the economy as well as keeping your kids out of our ridiculously poor and nationalistic schools is enough to have people kidnap your kids.


[–] fourthcoming 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

"The allegations were that the family was residing in a tent, mother had given birth in the tent, there is no running water or septic, none of the children were enrolled in school and the father threatened a neighbor with a weapon (asked child to hand him the gun)."

This family wasn't living off the grid and being harassed for it, they were doing something entirely ... different.


[–] libby 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Other than threatening a neighbor, I don't think any of that sounds too bad. I don't think threatening a neighbor justifies having your kids taken either.

As long as they provide an education, there's nothing wrong with not enrolling your kids in school. Composting toilets are fine, no need for a septic or sewer system. You can also live fine without running water. I can't imagine why tents would be problematic either (including birthing). People really need to mind their own business more.

Some other people brought up more serious issues that sound like they may make a CPS intervention okay, but what you listed really doesn't justify kidnapping.


[–] TackleDummy 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

And it's not like this is an isolated incident, or it's just one area where this kind of thing happens. These stories have popped up in multiple states.


[–] libby 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

It happens way too often for my liking. The state seems to think that it has way more say in how you raise your kids than it should.

I don't think anyone minds the idea of CPS saving kids from being sexually or physically abused or grossly neglected, but it shouldn't force people in to approved lifestyles.

I really can't think of anything more horrible than having your children taken from you. I love my kids more than anything. It's a very powerful way to exert control over people.


[–] lamamaloca 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think threateningto shoot a neighbor and asking your child to hand you the gun would bring you to the attention of CPS whether you're on or off grid. This family has numerous issues.


[–] pinguinos 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"On Monday, May 11, Breckinridge County court heard testimony from Joe Naugler's eldest son, Alex Brow, who stated he was physically and sexually abused by his father... Joe denies all wrong doing. Neither Joe nor Nicole are able to provide any explanation as to why Joe lost parental rights. Joe did not fight to have them reinstated."