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[–] whynotanon1 0 points 104 points (+104|-0) ago 

I feel like I'm not getting the full story here. What was the tip given to the officer to prompt the investigation?

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[–] oooooo 1 points 67 points (+68|-1) ago 

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[–] Vvswiftvv17 3 points 121 points (+124|-3) ago 

"The allegations were that the family was residing in a tent, mother had given birth in the tent, there is no running water or septic, none of the children were enrolled in school and the father threatened a neighbor with a weapon (asked child to hand him the gun)."

That will do it. I would have made a complaint too. Living in a tent is not "living off the grid". It's not providing a proper home. My husband and I are debating living off the grid - this isn't it, this is bad.

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[–] CharlieJelly 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

Wow that took a dark turn real fast. They're missing out loads in the article..

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[–] theoceansinthestreet 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It bothers me that I can't just read an unbiased article.

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[–] smokeu 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

On Monday, May 11, Breckinridge County court heard testimony from Joe Naugler's eldest son, Alex Brow, who stated he was physically and sexually abused by his father.

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[–] Level_Cannon 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Look up the wikipedia article on it. Way more to the story

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[–] superguy3 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] nonlogicality 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I know, right?

The article itself seems very biased, there must be better detailed reasoning from CPS and the police on why they took their children.

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[–] Innoxx 2 points 82 points (+84|-2) ago 

MT - misleading alarmist title. The kids were taken by CPS because of potential abuse and neglect. 1 son testified in court claiming abuse. I have nothing against off the grid, but the kids welfare do need to be taken into account. It looks like the kids have returned to the family, but if they do not upgrade their home conditions, i fear for the kids safety myself. (at least based off the pictures i found while googling)

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You're right - They were returned to the family July 6th. Untimely article is untimely. This site has shit journalism.

Source - http://www.wdrb.com/story/29484577/kids-returned-to-off-the-grid-family-in-breckinridge-county

Edit - I mean The Sleuth Journal has shit journalism. Not Voat. Voat IS the shit.

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[–] Hawk 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I respectfully disagree, You did some excellent journalistic work just now. After the OC shifted towards the histrionic a few paragraphs in, I came to the comments section for sanity and infomation, which you have duly provided. Thank you very much, have an upvoat.

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[–] tame 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Maybe it's just me but 'off the grid' seems to imply that you have your own sources of grid-things: Renewable electricity generation, rain water catchment and storage, solar hot water, that kind of thing. Probably grow your own vegetables and live in a house made of renewable materials.

Not "feral family living in a tent".

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[–] libby 6 points 26 points (+32|-6) ago 

Things like this are so scary. I find an off the grid life very appealing but it seems that so many people who do it end up getting CPS on their case for no reason other than living that way.

It's frightening to think that withdrawing from modern society and the economy as well as keeping your kids out of our ridiculously poor and nationalistic schools is enough to have people kidnap your kids.

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[–] fourthcoming 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

"The allegations were that the family was residing in a tent, mother had given birth in the tent, there is no running water or septic, none of the children were enrolled in school and the father threatened a neighbor with a weapon (asked child to hand him the gun)."

This family wasn't living off the grid and being harassed for it, they were doing something entirely ... different.

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[–] libby 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Other than threatening a neighbor, I don't think any of that sounds too bad. I don't think threatening a neighbor justifies having your kids taken either.

As long as they provide an education, there's nothing wrong with not enrolling your kids in school. Composting toilets are fine, no need for a septic or sewer system. You can also live fine without running water. I can't imagine why tents would be problematic either (including birthing). People really need to mind their own business more.

Some other people brought up more serious issues that sound like they may make a CPS intervention okay, but what you listed really doesn't justify kidnapping.

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[–] TackleDummy 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

And it's not like this is an isolated incident, or it's just one area where this kind of thing happens. These stories have popped up in multiple states.

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[–] libby 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

It happens way too often for my liking. The state seems to think that it has way more say in how you raise your kids than it should.

I don't think anyone minds the idea of CPS saving kids from being sexually or physically abused or grossly neglected, but it shouldn't force people in to approved lifestyles.

I really can't think of anything more horrible than having your children taken from you. I love my kids more than anything. It's a very powerful way to exert control over people.

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[–] lamamaloca 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think threateningto shoot a neighbor and asking your child to hand you the gun would bring you to the attention of CPS whether you're on or off grid. This family has numerous issues.

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[–] pinguinos 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"On Monday, May 11, Breckinridge County court heard testimony from Joe Naugler's eldest son, Alex Brow, who stated he was physically and sexually abused by his father... Joe denies all wrong doing. Neither Joe nor Nicole are able to provide any explanation as to why Joe lost parental rights. Joe did not fight to have them reinstated."

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[–] g33k3ss 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Various news sources report this in a few different ways. Apparently the whole family was living in a 280-foot temporary shelter with no heat or running water. Also, "Joe is charged with allegedly threatening a neighbor and Nicole is charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest following an altercation with police when the children were taken from them." Another article mentions that the oldest son accused his father of abuse.

I'm not saying what's true and what isn't, being as a lot of the Google crawl sites on both sides don't seem very reliable. However, as in most cases, there are at least two sides to the story and obviously missing facts.

It appears the children were returned though, which seems like things are working the way they should: Potential child abuse. Remove and protect the children. Return the children if abuse unfounded.

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[–] dv1155 [S] 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

It appears the children were returned though, which seems like things are working the way they should: Potential child abuse. Remove and protect the children. Return the children if abuse unfounded.

Which isn't at all how our justice system should work. It's supposed to be potential child abuse -> investigation -> due process -> take action. Taking away someone's kids based on the whim of an unelected unaccountable CPS bureaucrat is a travesty. Look up how often kids are molested, abused, or killed while in temporary foster care.

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[–] secretsquirrel2 5 points 17 points (+22|-5) ago 

Children have died waiting for investigations. Besides there was abuse. These people were not educating their children. They were raising them like animals and robbing them of any chance for a future. We need to stop thinking of children as property. Parents are care takers, not masters.

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[–] MeatPopsicle 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

unelected unaccountable CPS bureaucrat

We need to rely on their judgment because we often don't have time for the full process. You can have swift justice or you can have accurate justice. You rarely get both. Appointing someone to use their best judgment is the closest we can get to the best of both worlds, but it does rely on them being a good judge of character.

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[–] g33k3ss 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think it's a very difficult process both morally or legally from the standpoint of CPS. For instance, I also read about a lot of children killed or further abused by their own parents/guardians after being reported to CPS and before actions are taken. The agency is also lambasted in those cases. Disclaimer: I've done tech support for a CPS agency in the past and the images of abused children are something that can't be forgotten.

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

In this country we (theoretically) are guilty until proven innocent, so the parents won't be arrested or charged unless there is evidence to suggest beyond a reasonable doubt that they were wrong, but if there is sufficient evidence to suggest that there may be abuse or excessively poor living conditions then protecting the victims is completely reasonable. If there is a report of domestic abuse for example and the victim confirms it via her testimony then that's not enough to charge the potential perpetrator but it's certainly more than enough for the police to escort the victim to safety. See the difference?

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[–] Level_Cannon 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

There is more to the story than the biased linked article

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[–] mastranios 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Source? Getting all kinds of mixed stories.

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[–] Level_Cannon 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I kept trying to post a quote but Voat was telling me to slow down...just google the parent's name that is listed in the posted article and google will find you a few sources

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[–] superguy3 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

The article above is complete shit. America is turning into Nazi Germany???? WTF!!! There son is testifying against the parents: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3077706/Alex-Brow-Joe-Naugler-s-son-testifies-against-free-range-father-Kentucky-court.html

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[–] superguy3 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Seriously the author of the article in sleuth journal needs to GTFO.

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[–] thatnerdguy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

To be fair, the author of... pretty much every article on the site needs to GTFO. There's some serious comedy gold in that sidebar.

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[–] trevxenemy 7 points 7 points (+14|-7) ago 

So... some crazy parents sexually assault their kids & get reported for it(amongst other things) and Voat gets up in arms? Did /r/libertarian and the other far-right derp derp subs leak over?

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[–] wafflecopter9001 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Did /r/libertarian and the other far-right derp derp subs leak over

I think those are the default users of voat right now

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[–] Quawonk 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Congrats. This is the first thing I downvoated here due to misleading bullshit.

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[–] mojoconcarne 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If I had 100 cp I would use my first downvoat on this too. If my eyes rolled any harder at the misleading information in this article they would fall out.

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