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[–] Kleyno 0 points 283 points (+283|-0) ago 

since college policy requires that appeals be filed within seven days of a verdict being reached.

I hate this kind of legal douchbaggery.

Doe was drunk to the point of incapacitation

Well, if he was that drunk, then he could not give consent. She raped him!

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[–] battletoad 0 points 172 points (+172|-0) ago 

This is the truth. He was the victim of a rape, and yet the school's kangaroo court punished him. These cases should be reserved for the court of law, not for schools who are more worried about their reputation than doing the right thing.

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[–] kosmic_osmo 0 points 115 points (+115|-0) ago 

These cases should be reserved for the court of law, not for schools who are more worried about their reputation than doing the right thing.

that to me is the big issue. campuses clearly cannot and should not be functioning in any sort of judiciary capacity when it comes to CRIMINAL charges.

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[–] archer_ 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

Sadly in a court of law there's still a good chance they'd see him as a rapist because she was drunk. Completely unjust, but then again so is a lot of what the courts do.

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[–] ASacrificialHerring 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

As an Australian, I would like to apologise for our kangaroo courts. Sorry.

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[–] VivaFrei 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm pretty sure that if the court consisted of actual kangaroos, they still would agree to reopen the case and reevaluate in light of the new evidence. Only humans can be that stubborn and stupid.

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[–] RenagadeGam3r 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

since college policy requires that appeals be filed within seven days of a verdict being reached.

WE DON'T WANT DO DO ANYTHING! IT'S SOMEONE ELSES PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH!

Doe was drunk to the point of incapacitation

And there goes the narrative that women can do no wrong. I think a lawyer will have a field day with this and even then, If she was really raped why didn't she go to the police and press charges? If she was unable to then OK, understandable, but I would like to know the reason but something tells me she just didn't want the hassle. Or knew that if she did take this to the police they'd find this text message and there goes her case.

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[–] macleod2486 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

That's another thing I noticed. Women like this never go to the police and the only punishment they want is just a public court shaming and a expulsion. Whenever that happens I immediately get suspicious over the motives of the accuser.

I mean if he really did rape her, which by the way is again a pretty serious crime, then get the police involved to investigate and do real justice by getting him off the street.

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[–] JesTheRed 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The good news is that he's still well within the time frame to bring criminal charges against her.

There are entire units within police departments for this sort of thing.

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[–] FPSFairy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Some states actually have laws/definitions of rape such that men cannot be raped by women, because rape requires that the victim be penetrated. Technically (not sure how Massachusetts does it), it may just be sexual assault.

Not saying I agree with those laws, by the way, but I'm pretty sure they exist in some places.

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[–] PillCosby 0 points 214 points (+214|-0) ago 

Another young man with his life ruined due to a woman deciding after sex she doesn't like feeling like a slut.

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[–] Oveneise 4 points 34 points (+38|-4) ago 

Self guilt can really fuck with you if you don't take care of it.

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[–] nubbers 1 points 82 points (+83|-1) ago 

Sad thing is, her self guilt didn't only fuck with her.

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[–] Porphyrogennetos 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

It didn't seem to fuck with her at all. It should, but it doesn't seem to.

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[–] jlitwinka 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

and you know what? I am completely sympathetic to that. EVERYONE makes stupid decisions that they regret later. However I am not sympathetic to another's self-guilt effecting someone else. It's an immaturity that is unacceptable and completely discredits you in my opinion.

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Funny how her self guilt doesn't extend to lying about being raped.

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[–] jackO_fAll_Trades 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Well said! This and the fact that people refuse to recognize that females rapping males actually happens.

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[–] lbmouse 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I'm so very happy I'm not a Millennial. It must be so confusing when you decide to have sex with someone. If someone is held accountable for the bad decision of driving while drunk, why are they not held accountable for their bad sexual decisions while drunk?

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[–] Chew_Monster 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was furious when I heard the UofM was handing out "sex consent" forms. After pondering it for a while, I think its a great idea.

I would feel like a total douche nozzle asking someone to sign one of these. But holy shit would it be nice if someone made the accusation of rape. Sad times we are living in...

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[–] eyeballfrog 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Pff, as though it would ever protect you from an accusation of rape.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Doesn't matter. False accusers would just claim that either they were forced to sign the form under duress or they were too drunk to know what they were signing.

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[–] tridentman 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I wonder if he can take the evidence to the police and then sue the woman for lying? It would be nice to see her put in jail for the crime she's falsely accusing him of.

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[–] FuckRedditInTheAss 1 points 192 points (+193|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Amherst: "John Doe, do you have a vagina?"

John Doe: "No."

Amherst: "Guilty!"

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[–] RenagadeGam3r 1 points 63 points (+64|-1) ago 

I swear this is what really happens.

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[–] Bic 1 points 102 points (+103|-1) ago 

As a society this whole "protect women at all costs" type of thinking is cancer. We as a society need to stop giving up our lives to protect women for any reason. They're not special.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 84 points (+84|-0) ago 

The funny (and sad) part is they call this equality

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago 

Take example XYZ...

Is it a benefit to women? Then it's equality!

Is it a detriment to women? Then it's misogyny!

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[–] heili 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

They really don't see anything at all insulting about saying that women are unable to function without these protections, either.

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[–] ctkatz 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago 

when the human race is on the verge of extinction and the only reason to save women is because they have the natural ability to give birth then I will subscribe to the protect women at all costs theory. there are currently over 3.6 billion women on this planet. they do not need extra protection. some of these women are tougher than I am. it is quite sexist to say she can't protect me, I have to protect her. you want to talk about instant women's disempowerment, tell her she's too weak to look after herself.

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[–] darkrxn 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If women deserve equal pay, equal opportunity to be fire fighters and police and military and senators and presidents and Lawyers and doctors and CEO's, then is is productive to still hold to ideas that women need to be protected differently? Can those two coexist?

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[–] PushYourself 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's basically white knighting irl.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 2 points 52 points (+54|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I wish the idea for equal rights for all humans had more awareness than the sjw has.

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[–] RenagadeGam3r 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I wish the idea for equal rights for all humans had more awareness than the sjw has.

Keep wishing for that, It ain't going to happen anytime soon.

But that ain't going to stop us from trying to make that wish a reality.

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[–] VictorSteinerDavion 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The self awareness required to want human rights requires the awareness that everyone is not just a copy of you and your feels.
SJW's are solipsists that think everyone thinks like them, has the same feefees as them and is literally horrified when they meet someone that doesn't think like them.

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[–] Imapopulistnow 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You nailed it. Our brains, with dual amygdalas, each serving unique purposes, are constructed in a way to encourage diversity in thinking patterns and emotional responses....now to read up on the concept of solipsists....

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[–] Imapopulistnow 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Interestingly, my schizophrenic sister views the world in a solipsistic fashion where her consciousness is the only reality and all external events are thus connected to it. There must be some brain function that has evolved that contributes in varying degrees in some people to this concept of "reality".

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[–] garbagehat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Equal human rights, as I see it, is a pipe dream. Not to say there aren't people who are good to each other for the sake of being a decent human being. It's just a largely overshadowed issue because people are so different and unique, but would rather clump to other people who they can share common bonds with. It's easier to feel accepted and heard in a small group than lost in an ocean of faces.
There are some pretty basic things (respect, understanding) that people just don't have for each other, whether it be out of convenience or just plain ignorance. Everyone should strive to be better, but we don't live in a perfect world

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[–] Imapopulistnow 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Get otta here with ur common sense and objective observations of reality.

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[–] Kad 1 points 41 points (+42|-1) ago  (edited ago)

"the college defended its handling of the case—and subsequent expulsion of Doe—on grounds that it was “conducted with fundamental fairness, in good faith, and in full compliance with the College’s policies and the law."

I do not believe ignoring evidence counts as acting with "fundamental fairness" and "in good faith".

Maybe in the College's policies it states something along the lines of: "Thou shalt not question the accuser; thou shall listen and believe."

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[–] Call_Me_Kelly 0 points 74 points (+74|-0) ago 

https://kcjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/amherst-text-messages.pdf

The text messages (around pg 6) completely exonerate him. After reading them there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that he is innocent.

Unbelievable.

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[–] blackdog6621 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

This girl literally seduced him while drunk and Amherst considers that rape? God help us.

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[–] kahing 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

The sad thing is, the US government is actually encouraging these kangaroo courts, and threatening to pull Federal funding from colleges who fail.

These "courts" should not exist. If there was a genuine sex crime, let the legal system handle it.

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[–] Albatrocity 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Someone mind explaining to me why colleges, schools, and uni's all have their own investigations for shit?
If a student is accused of rape, that's a criminal matter.
Why not just let the police deal with it and then expel them if they are convicted, or just continue doing nothing if they aren't convicted?
Isn't this an easy win if he decides to sue them?
Also, fuck the girl who started the whole thing. She deserves to be expelled and sentenced to the same sentence a rapist would get. My mistake, the guy was actually incapacitated and unable to give consent. She's literally a rapist and should be convicted.

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[–] battletoad 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

In short, a while ago Obama used the Department of Education (DOE) to mandate that Universities rewrite their policies on sexual harassment/assault to address the issue of rising campus sex crimes. If the schools refused to cooperate, they would no longer receive DOE funding, which includes funding for not just for public schools, but also the expensive research grants that private schools also love.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/07/harvard-professors-reject-obama-campus-rape-policies/

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[–] Dalroc 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Sooo.. Thanks Obama?

No, but really... Fuck Obama.

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[–] CallMeBigPapaya 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

the issue of rising campus sex crimes

Let me guess, every study on the issue doesn't account for the fact the rise in campus population.

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[–] T_Quill 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

but that doesn't really answer his question.

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[–] RealDal 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes.

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[–] derram 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Because being interviewed by the police is scary to the victim.

So, fuck it, let's just ruin lives and never punish the liars.

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[–] refugee610 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

The short answer: Feminism. Organized, mainstream feminism.

The long answer: see u/battletoad's answer

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