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[–] goat_boat 5 points 12 points (+17|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Ok so her position is that whites have the highest number of aggravated assaults, larceny, arson, etc. That may be strictly true on the aggregate, but only because there are more whites than blacks. The US is 77% white, 13% black. So look at this chart. Every column has whites as <77% of the crimes and black >13% of the crimes. That proves right there that per capita blacks are more of a problem. It's not racism. It's fucking math. Hell even 52% of the murders are caused by 13% of the population!

All that withstanding, and her being incorrect, I still don't trust a single word that the cops say. They've suicided people for less.

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[–] JJEvil 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

We're in the realm of lies, damned lies and statistics, now. There's no real way to tell what the true crime number are. Crime > Arrest > Conviction. Where do the numbers come from in that chain? If you look strictly at the FBI numbers they're ARREST numbers and, are all self reported by local police departments. Some departments don't report at all. Who knows what standards the ones that voluntarily report are using?

ALso, just look at Eric Garner's 31 arrests. Shit like that really skews the numbers. Arrested 31 times for bullshit like possessing personal use amounts of weed, several arrests for cigarettes, traffic stuff, etc. That man was constantly being harassed and hauled in by the cops for petty, tickable offenses. To what end? Likely they knew he was an easy pickup and could use him to make quotas. Or maybe they were just dicks and wanted to give him shit over the kinds of stuff I have done and never once been arrested for. But I'm white though. How many Eric Garners are there out there with 30-40 bullshit arrests, making those numbers look so bad?

I do wish, though that they separated the numbers by socioeconomic data. My gut tells me that impoverished whites are just as likely to commit crimes as impoverished blacks. They're probably as likely to be arrested. It just so happens that, as percentages of populations go, blacks are far more likely to be impoverished and that skews the numbers hard.

The conviction numbers are likely skewed even harder. Blacks are more likely to have to rely on public defenders because they are more likely to be poor. That means they are more likely to face conviction and take plea bargains as well because most can't afford their own legal defense.

Blacks are more likely to be profiled, more likely to be shot than whites under similar conditions, more likely to be convicted under similar conditions, more likely to be injured, serve longer sentences for same level crimes, etc. Face it, America's black community is getting fucked every step along the way.

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[–] goat_boat 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I also don't trust police and their statistics, so taken with a grain of salt. It is very true that blacks get the short end of the stick on sentencing, profiling, etc. So she should have focused on these very clear issues which can rally those behind her cause, instead of proclaiming whites are the real problem not blacks by some faulty aggregate calculation. But it might be good for her to accept that at some level the criminal disparity is real, and like it or not, it's more of a black problem. We could blame it on socioeconomics which might be more accurate, but she's the one that brought race into the matter, not me.

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[–] Nationalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

ALso, just look at Eric Garner's 31 arrests. Shit like that really skews the numbers. Arrested 31 times for bullshit like possessing personal use amounts of weed, several arrests for cigarettes, traffic stuff, etc.

No matter how many times Garner is arrested for possession this will not affect any statistics relating to homicide or assault.

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[–] bannana 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That proves right there that per capita blacks are more of a problem.

This isn't a true statement at all, what is true is that cops patrol majority black neighborhoods with a much much higher frequency that white neighborhoods, cops pull over black people more often, cops specifically go after black people and arrest them more often with more charges than white people, prosecutors hit black people with more time than white people, judges give black people many more years in jail than whites. White people get few charges, less time, better plea deals, and just plain get arrested less than black people when they are committing the same amount of crimes and the same types of crime.

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[–] The_Original_Hawkeye 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If I'm a cop I'm not going to be patrolling the rich neighborhoods looking for crime. Just sayin.

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[–] the_madman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I was with you until

when they are committing the same amount of crimes and the same types of crime.

That is just as much speculation as the opposite assertion was when parent made it.

None of us might trust those statistics, but until we have a better means of gathering that data, they're the best we've got. Until we find something more reliable, we have to understand very carefully what exactly those statistics are telling us.

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[–] just-my-2c 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

She cannot refute or reply. Please do not attack her believes, she is DEAD.

Her video made me cry, cause it's probably that way of thinking that killed her (by the hands of the oppressors)

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[–] ObiWannaBlowMe 4 points -4 points (+0|-4) ago 

Per capita is racist as fuck in this instance. Whites commit more crime PERIOD. We don't police people by race, but by criminality.

Both you and her are both stupid racists twisting numbers to fit your own agendas.

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[–] Imapopulistnow 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Logic? We don't need no freak'in logic...

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[–] goat_boat 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Sorry I hurt your baby feelings, but per capita is how you actually calculate these things. Clearly you can see that 53% of murders are carried out by 13% of the population. Defend how you want, but her assertion that whites are more criminal is just not statistically accurate.