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[–] jammi 2 points 75 points (+77|-2) ago  (edited ago)

So why do you keep ignoring the radical crazies? If you don't support that under the feminist umbarella, you should either focus on getting rid of those people, or start calling yourselves something else, like us egalitarians do. In my mind, the term feminist has been too tarnished by the radical misandrist, female supremacy movement to ever recover, and they definitely have both plenty of power and the majority of the feminist movement visibility.

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[–] eulogyjones 2 points 69 points (+71|-2) ago  (edited ago)

So why do you keep ignoring the radical crazies

They ignore them and keep saying "oh theyre a loud minority", "oh most of us arent like that", and bullshit like that which worked for awhile (I guess).

Now we've reached the point where I feel like these people are in denial that the feminist movement has totally gone awry and overstayed its welcome. The simple fact that "equity feminist" is even a thing should be a giant red flag for people.

The problem is that they ignore them because they don't want to be ostracized by their own movement by dissenting from the crazy majority so they simply get swept along and their silence is accepted as agreement by the rest of the feminist movement.

Feminism should have been a limited hangout movement anyways. Send feminism over to the middle east and parts of India and Asia where women are actually treated like complete, subservient, shit. There are women being tortured and killed for disobeying their father/brother/husband and have acid thrown in their face for ridiculous things like refusing to get married to someone or trying to get an education. Feminism served its purpose in America and is no longer needed and should be replaced by more relevant movements such as egalitarianism.

Edit: thanks for the denial downvotes!

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[–] AberdolfLincler 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Great points. I've been trying to defend the word "feminism" because I know how these things can be destroyed by vocal minorities, as someone that's had minor interest in men's rights issues over the years. I feel like you may have just completely changed my mind on it though, and maybe it is time to just move forward and use the word egalitarian. I've brought up that point over the years too, but it seemed pointless, as people tend to only care about their own genders. I hope you're right though, and that movement starts to get more traction.

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[–] zaiguy 4 points 1 point (+5|-4) ago 

I can't stand any feminist. Pure bs and what a stupid label a person can apply to themselves. Fucktards.

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[–] i_am_not_crazy 3 points 21 points (+24|-3) ago 

There are crazies everywhere. Religious crazies, Sports crazies, Political crazies, Famous People crazies, and I have breaking news so does feminism. They are always are always a small, but well organized and vocal minority that hide behind some PC platitude and use it as a platform to spread hate.

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[–] Serah123 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No one is oblivious to the fact that various movements/groups nearly always containt certain, often relatively small, amounts of loud extremist voices, but people are also cognizant of the fact that these movements, unlike the feminist one, tend to call these loudmouths out for their insanse views and distance themselves from them, lest the actions of said movements gets steered or co-opted by them.

Therefore I think people are very justified in judging feminism based on their "vocal minority" - because they are the ones getting shit done, while people like you seem to spend more time deflecting criticism of your snuggle-blanket of a label instead of opposing their clearly anti-egalitarian actions/views.

So don't pull the "they (radfems) are just a tiny minorty among a greater number of sane feminists" spiel, because unlike the actual ideology-centred groups you listed, the "sane feminists" don't seem to make any effort in diminishing the hold that the extremist element has over the active wing of those groups as a whole (at least not in comparison to the efforts they go to in dogpiling scientists telling bad jokes or wearing the wrong shirt).

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[–] ForgotMyName 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

See also - pretty much every protest ever. Violent people that just want to act like idiots show up and start burning things down and totally ruin it for everyone who actually wanted to accomplish something peacefully. Of course, sometimes it turns out those people are just cops trying to incite a riot.

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[–] GooberGobias 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

OK, but the problem is that this small, vocal minority seems to have an absurd amount of political power. They control all the universities and all the media outlets.

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[–] Volcris 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

You are absolutely right! Every one knows no TRUE Scottsman™ behaves like that.

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[–] mamwad 3 points 10 points (+13|-3) ago 

That's a bit like asking why you keep ignoring all the wife beaters and date rapists. You're making the presumptions that she actually ignores them (despite taking the time to speak out in opposition) and that she could actually do something to stop crazy people from acting crazy.

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[–] Dalroc 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

wife beaters and date rapists

What? I am not a wife beater or date rapist, therefore I don't have to distance myself from them. The only thing connecting me to those types is my gender, but that is an attribute I was born into, not a selfproclaimed title like feminist is.

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[–] jammi 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

My point is basically that the moderate feminists should have been more vocal about not supporting the radical feminists. It's probably too late to do anything about it now; the radicals redefined the word feminist along with other word redefinitons they did.