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[–] TomOTom 2 points 50 points (+52|-2) ago 

That poor man... This video is tragic and is going to be very detrimental to the LAPD's public relations. There is so much fear and tension towards the LAPD in Los Angeles already. There needs to be real change to our police forces in this country so that these murders stop happening.

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[–] sexypleurisy 1 point 31 points (+32|-1) ago 

This might even be more detrimental than the time they shot at two Asian women in a truck while looking for a large black man.

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[–] Radio_joe 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

To be fair they thought the Asian women were a black man

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[–] jenidaninja 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

link please.

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Wasn't even a truck, it was a van. So they shot two asian women in a van, while looking for a large black man in a truck. Typical cop level intelligence at work.

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[–] reed 1 point 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

I lived in LA for a while. Something that struck me about the area was the general disdain nearly everyone I encountered has for the police. A disdain that over time I've learned is well deserved.

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[–] sneakybells 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Because it has nothing to do with the long standing history of corruption and abuse.

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[–] Prostetnicvogontrill 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

While I feel bad for this man, and the police shooting was obviously very, very wrong... Why the hell did he keep moving his hands around and fidgeting and even pull something out of his pocket? You know cops are on edge, their guns are drawn on you and they are LAPD cops! That is like ASKING those guys to shoot you. Of course that was a completely unjustified shooting and the cops should be punished severely, but really wtf?

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[–] sactostar 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Clearly he had difficulty understanding them. He may have been under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Or ponder the fact that maybe his comprehension of English was not good. Having guns pointed at you by police or military while they scream at you in a language you can not understand or respond in. They continue to yell, weather you have your hands up or not. I feel there was a chance that he had no ideal what they wanted him to do this would be very unsettling, especially considering that this man DID NOTHING WRONG and had been mistaken as as the thief. Just put yourself in this situation, its terrifying to me and I am fully fluent. This was over a bicycle, the police are poorly trained and over equipped. I believe that police should not be given a gun until they can prove they would use it as a last resort. They have tasers, use those. Why pull your guns on bike thieves? its a blood lust, pulling guns for a minor property crime.

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[–] Proppa 6 points 3 points (+9|-6) ago  (edited ago)

People have no perspective from a police officers point of view. Here's how quickly it happens. I didn't even see the gun being drawn the first few times I watched it.

If you have men pointing guns at you, don't risk your life to take off your hat or reach in your pockets. This goes for anyone pointing guns at you, not just cops. He's lucky he didn't get blown apart the first time he put his hands down and reach into his back pocket/waistband. I don't like cops either and I think a lot of them are disgusting animals, but I feel sympathy for the ones in this situation. We're talking about an area ranked #1 in the US for gun violence. They have no clue what you're reaching for and they fear for their lives every single day. A routine traffic stop can be the last stop they ever make. Try to put yourself in that position. There's no risk for most of us to be shot to death at our jobs on a daily basis.

I'm all for crucifying crooked cops, but this is clearly not an open and shut case. People need to stop getting worked into a frenzy over instances like these. It only discredits the overall issue of police brutality.

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[–] redikulous 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's not really the LAPD...

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[–] Swolectomy ago 

True. This happened in Gardena.

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[–] girlparts 1 point 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

Wow. All over a stolen bike

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[–] Easybee 1 point 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

It's worse. These guys were there getting shot because they were HELPING SEARCH FOR THE THEIF. Totally innocent. Totally non-threatening. Murdered by cops for helping.

Shameful.

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[–] sactostar 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I agree with you. Its also sickening that the tax payers are the ones who will most likely pay the out the 4.7mil, the first step is to convict cops and the second is to make police department payouts come from the police pension fund. Hold these incompetent people accountable.

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[–] DangerGoat ago 

I'd feel pretty satisfied at the start knowing whoever stole my bike played catch the shiny bullet. Then I'd feel like shit knowing my tax dollars are going bye bye in legal proceedings, investigations, and lawsuits.

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[–] Internet_Refugee ago 

Sad isn't it? We need some serious reform and an updated training program for police officers. This should not be acceptable, this situation could have been handled with non-lethal force. I do understand that police have to make split-second decisions to fire to protect oneself in case of a quick move, but they could've been tased if the officers feared imminent danger. The way I see it is when you're pointing a gun at someone, you have the intent to kill. Hopefully with the increase of awareness of police brutality/misconduct and public outrage there will be more incentive for reform.

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[–] IForgotMyUserDetails 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

That was an execution. So glad I don't live in a militarized state.

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[–] zambeezy 7 points -2 points (+5|-7) ago 

American citizen here...me too!

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[–] FriedBizkit 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

Haha.

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[–] ruyaz 21 points 19 points (+40|-21) ago 

Normally I would be all for bashing the police, but come on, they told this guy to keep his hands up what, two or three times and he keeps on putting his arms back down at his side? When you're dealing with three people who as suspected thieves you have NO idea what any of them could be carrying.

This guy could have avoided being killed by the cops by just following orders instead of being a dumbass and putting his hands back down at his sides.

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[–] sneakybells 4 points 102 points (+106|-4) ago 

That's not a good reason to shoot a man dead.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 3 points 46 points (+49|-3) ago 

People will make any excuse for officers actions nowadays, its unsettling the amount of Stockholm syndrome Americans seem to have.

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[–] Biohazard 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago 

Fearing for your safety is a good enough reason. Notice how the guy that kept his hands up was fine, except for the guy that got caught in the crossfire. That sucks.

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[–] ruyaz 1 point 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

True, but when you have three cops with weapons drawn on you, I'd figure it to be of my best interest to keep my hands where they can see them instead of putting them back down to my waist.

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[–] TremorAcePV 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago  (edited ago)

No, it's not, but what if he had a weapon in his hat (say, a small switch blade)? You'd be surprised how fast someone can close distance with a knife.

As sad as this is, I feel what the officers did was understandable. In these situations, you can never know, and if I were the officers, I'd have feared for my safety, particularly when outnumbered 3-2 (I only saw 2 officers in the video).

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[–] H-Bomb32 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

This is an unacceptable line of thought. There are military members across the globe conducting patrols in combat zones with IEDs, snipers, and baited ambushes. Military members are not allowed to fire their weapon unless provoked with gunfire, or positive identification of a weapon with intent to kill/maim. If our military members are required to show this restraint in hostile territory, why shouldn't our police have to show the same restraint with American Citizens?

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[–] Radio_joe 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

That comment really needs more visibility. The succinctly gets around any procedural issues in the video and gets to the root of the issue

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[–] G4 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Military members represent our country to all other countries. Cops don't represent anything.

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[–] La_Mystorius 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

People are so asleep on these issues, it will get much worse before long.

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[–] boiglenoight 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's ironic, unless police consider the public to be equally hostile to the rural regions of Afghanistan.

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[–] Quawonk 5 points 25 points (+30|-5) ago 

Wow. I had to go 5 comments down to find the first cop apologist.

Boils down to: "respect my authoritah" and "I have multiple ways to end this, so I will choose the lethal one". Regular as clockwork.

Always keep this in mind when on the Internet.: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/pentagon-admits-spending-millions-study-manipulate-social-media-users.html Very important read. Can't stress it enough.

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

It's such a shame that the spineless bootlicker crowd has shown up here. They're so proud of being pathetic, spineless losers. It's really insane.

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[–] ezen 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

It's more about being realistic. In these situations, you know that if you even look like you're doing the wrong thing you're going to be shot. This reality is totally separate from where we should be as a society, yes. But this is the reality. Multiple cops have you at gunpoint. You do everything very slowly, ask for confirmation, and do exactly what they tell you to. Are the cops in the wrong? Fucking of course they are. But if I were in this person's shoes and even if I knew I did nothing wrong, I'd be acting exactly as the cops ordered because I don't want to be shot.

We have a lot of things to fix regarding police interaction. However, none of them will be fixed between suspects and police in the field. They're fixed by voting citizens and passing laws/policy that change things.

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[–] DangerGoat 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

So who do I get a hold of to collect my shill checks? Monsanto or the pentagon?

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[–] Swolectomy 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

There's not a second in the video that you can't see his hands, regardless of him moving them rather slowly up and down. He never even reaches for anything or makes any sudden movements.

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[–] MasterBillyQuizboy 1 point 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

WOW... This is a real shame. The video completely depicts the person shot, as not doing ANYTHING wrong what so ever; even threatening.

I don't know what these "Police-men" saw to shoot this man..but the video is CLEAR evidence that nothing wrong had been done for this man to die. At most, he took off his hat when being told to keep his hands up...that is NOWHERE near any reason to get shot ~6-9 times.

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[–] Humptysdump_1 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

I completely agree. I don't understand how someone watching this video thinks the police murdered him. Even if he didn't speak English, even if he was drunk, unless he has lived his life in the deepest jungle, he knew to keep his hands up while someone with a gun is pointing it at you and shouting.

This guy didn't do that. Watching any number of police videos online will show you how fast things can go bad when someone wants to hurt a cop. They had three suspects, you can't just run up and cuff one without being unsafe either. Maybe this was not the best way to go about catching a bike thief, once they were in that situation, I don't think they handled it poorly.

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[–] Swolectomy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Except when you notice that his hands are visible at all times in the video...

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[–] whynotanon1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

i always keep my pistol under my top hat.

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[–] unatco 1 point 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

The number of times shot is irrelevant. What is important is his hands were visible at all times despite not listening to orders for whatever reason. If their lives were in danger how can they prove it? This situation could have been easily descalated by telling the guy to lay on the floor immediately and handcuffing him if he is still too stupid to realize what is happening. The fearing for your life excuse should not be valid anymore if this is all it takes to put a cop off edge. I would like to see LAPD revolutionize policing again like when they introduced SWAT units into the fray, but this time with a better quality policeman if the new code police culture will be that of a warrior cop.

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[–] Swolectomy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thank you for this comment. The amount of foolish police apologists on here who know nothing about actual law enforcement was getting my blood boiling.

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[–] Domslord 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

People need to stop thinking that one bullet (especially a small caliber one) is nearly enough to stop a man from pulling a gun and its trigger, this is not hollywood and if your life and the one of your collegues were in danger, you need to make sure the threat is eliminated.

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[–] Thehealbus 1 point 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

The shooting is a problem, but the initial problem comes before that. Why did they even have the firearms out in the first place? The officers should be trained to not draw weapons in situations that don't need them.

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[–] Biohazard 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

They were drawn because action beats reaction every time.

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[–] NinjaPeppers 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

From the perspective of the video, a reaction to what? All three of those men where clearly visible with their actions and body positioning. Granted the guy who was fidgeting would have been smarter to keep his hands up, but that doesn't justify the volley of bullets he was riddled with for doing so.

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[–] eyehategod 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

It certainly beat it this time.

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[–] roboticon 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

They were under the impression that the suspects had committed an armed robbery.

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[–] Sorahzahd 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

LOL NO.

The guys they shot are the ones who called the police. Stop white washing these murderers' actions.

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[–] Quawonk 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I'm sure we'll be hearing from our cop apologists soon.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

They're already all over the thread.

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[–] PaperEngines 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

It's disgusting

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Too late, the spineless bootlicker crowd has already flooded in to praise this "noble hero" for murdering an unarmed, cooperating man who also was the one who reported the crime in the first place.

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[–] JJEvil 1 point 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

This is just sick. Those officers should be in prison.

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