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[–] Biohazard 28 points 42 points (+70|-28) ago 

Crap. Let's look at malpractice lawsuits and settlements against doctors and conclude the majority is corrupt. Oh wait, we don't do that for that profession do we?

Let's also ignore the fact that there are shelves of case law that govern police use of force and every use of force is reviewed at length by several organizations. Hell, even when the holy FBI comes down and looks into a case, the officer is usually found justified.

The problem is the average joe simply can't seem to accept that the police have to make split second decisions and they don't legally have to choose the least amount of force that is effective. This is because the courts have ruled it would put a superhuman requirement upon an officer to expect them to weigh every single use of force option while in the middle of a life and death struggle.

Google some of the videos of anti-police activists and reporters going through realistic police training scenarios. All of them come out amazed that what they thought was so black and white is anything but that.

Keep shitting on the police and they will withdraw and simply respond to calls. Baltimore is getting the type of law enforcement they thought they wanted. It ain't working out too well for them.

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[–] heili 5 points 74 points (+79|-5) ago 

Crap. Let's look at malpractice lawsuits and settlements against doctors and conclude the majority is corrupt. Oh wait, we don't do that for that profession do we?

Because there's no 'thin line' of other doctors who protect them when they commit criminal action, who refuse to prosecute them for those crimes. It's not as if doctors are going up to people on the street and forcing them to undergo procedures without consent the way that cops are stop-and-frisking without suspicion. It's not the same at all.

Let's also ignore the fact that there are shelves of case law that govern police use of force and every use of force is reviewed at length by several organizations.

All of whom have a conflict of interest due to their positions being inseparably linked to a good relationship with the police, or they are police themselves.

The problem is the average joe simply can't seem to accept that the police have to make split second decisions and they don't legally have to choose the least amount of force that is effective.

And they routinely as video evidence now shows escalate situations in which no violence was necessary until they have provoked justification to beat, taser, pepper spray or shoot someone.

Google some of the videos of anti-police activists and reporters going through realistic police training scenarios. All of them come out amazed that what they thought was so black and white is anything but that.

Reporters have a conflict of interest because they need to be on good terms with the cops so that they can get police cooperation when reporting on crime. I don't trust any reporter who puts out a puff-piece like that. It's propaganda, not reporting.

Keep shitting on the police and they will withdraw and simply respond to calls.

Good. And I won't call them, then they can stay the hell away from me.

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[–] Disgruntled 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

That doctor statement isn't entirely true. The majority of them belong to a physician group and I've seen numerous times the length they'll go to protect one of their own. They get away with a shit ton more than normal employees would.

As for police officers... I think it's wrong to label them all due to the actions of the few. I personally have never had any issues with cops. If anything the hiring process needs to be a little more fine tuned to ensure they high people who can handle stressful situations and not escalate the situation.

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[–] Biohazard 8 points -2 points (+6|-8) ago  (edited ago)

Heidi, So any investigation that clears the police is because they are in bed with them? And any reporter that makes a statement supportive of the police does it due to a conflict of interest?

Interesting. Are you also a big proponent of conspiracy theories? Can your brain even entertain the idea that maybe you are uninformed about case law and the dynamics of a use of force situation?

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[–] Quawonk 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I'll add to what @heili said.

The problem is the average joe simply can't seem to accept that the police have to make split second decisions

Having racist conversations and sending text messages to one another saying they hate niggers are not split second decisions. It's outright racism and has no place in a civilised society. Continuing to beat the shit out of someone who has already been subdued, even to the point of death, is not a split second decision. Stealing, selling drugs, prostituting, things they arrest others for. Not split second decisions. Read the article.

and they don't legally have to choose the least amount of force that is effective.

So given the choice, they choose the maximum force. Cuz that's what civilised people do.

Keep shitting on the police and they will withdraw and simply respond to calls.

Great! No more harassing people just going about their day (stop and frisk, RIDE, speed traps, etc.) would go along way toward getting the public to respect them rather than fear them. Real respect, the kind that is earned, not demanded.

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[–] chris 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

They're racist because of the people they have to deal with. Can we stop pretending there isn't problems with the black community yet?

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[–] ObscureReference 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Part of that the the fault of the departments. Too often the people who want to be good get tired of it and leave.

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[–] Biohazard 8 points -1 points (+7|-8) ago 

You obviously don't understand the point of the case law. Officers aren't picking the max amount of force. They are making a choice during high stress fast moving encounters so they can't be expected to make perfect choices.

Google the objectively reasonable standard.

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[–] 8bitadder 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

You really think police in this country are doing a satisfactory job and there isnt any progress to be made that isnt even being thought about let alone being worked on?

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[–] Ancient_Unknown 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Of course not! This 'murica and we're number one!

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[–] Biohazard 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

Of course tactics can always be improved but they have to be realistic. It doesn't help when the media promoted inaccurate stories like the whole "hands up don't shoot" nonsense. How much is this really the tail wagging the dog?

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[–] Sorahzahd 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Sad to see the police murder apologists made it to Voat. Sickening really.

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[–] Biohazard 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

Sad to see the anti-police circle jerk has moved to Voat as well. How dare people disagree with your position!

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[–] TremorAcePV 3 points 35 points (+38|-3) ago 

It's simple. Police are trained to protect police. It's the culture. 1 out of every 10 officers can be corrupt, but if the other 9 protect him just because he is a fellow police officer, they are corrupt too.

Some aren't like that, but many are.

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[–] KanakaHaole 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

One bad apple spoils the bunch.

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[–] TremorAcePV 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Did... did you read my comment? I suppose you misread this:

Police are trained to protect police.

Your comment seems tangentially related to my own. I feel like you could've posted that as a top comment instead of replying to me.

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[–] Internet_Refugee 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I would hope that your statistic are false, but I cannot say for sure. Although I live in a community heavily monitored and honestly just crawling with police officers, I would like to think the majority aren't crooked. Being white and living in a middle class area certainly helps and probably even skews my perspective, but I would hope these reports of extreme police brutality and misconduct are rare and isolated. That being said, I think requiring body cams is a good start and that the general exposure to these reports brings awareness.

Though this could all just be both extremely optimistic and delusion thinking. I think it's also worth noting I love playing devil's advocate.

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[–] TremorAcePV 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Statistic? Sorry, I should've definitely said "arbitrary numbers used". It was just an example.

Agreed. Body cams are definitely a good thing.

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[–] zedingo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

1 out of every 10 officers can be corrupt, but if the other 9 protect him just because he is a fellow police officer, they are corrupt too.

I hope that statistic is false too, but the statistic was really an assgrab to put forth the hypothetical so s/he could say that law enforcement culture is a problem.

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[–] reshp1 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

This article misses the point. I don't really give a shit about the individual cases. I care about the culture where the supposedly good cops don't do shit to punish and drive out the bad ones.

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[–] Absurdification [S] 3 points 10 points (+13|-3) ago  (edited ago)

This looks kind of scary.

The scale of the police corruption that's been uncovered sounds like a James Ellroy novel.

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[–] ChairForceOne 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Maybe it's just me but I haven't ever had a bad encounter with a police officer. Been pulled over plenty of times and have had police crawling all over the neighborhood looking for armed criminals, quite a few times. Never had any problems. I don't live in a big city so maybe that is part of it. Cops around here are friendly, they stop by the popular shooting areas out of town and shoot the breeze with you. Hell theirs even a video floating around of a cop stopping someone who was reported carrying a machine gun around. Turned out to be a 22 caliber MP5 look alike. He was not overly aggressive, IIRC wasn't actually aggressive at all. That was right off of the main drag through town. He was one of those youtubers that open carries everywhere.

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[–] dugitreadittime4voat 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

I gave up on hoping it was only a few here and there. If we have learned anything from the last year of video's, they are everywhere and there are so many, the good ones are afraid to open their mouths.

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[–] Biohazard 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

Many of these examples are actually justified incidents with no misconduct. Think of the hundreds of thousands of officers and the tens of thousands of daily citizen encounters. The actual cases of misconduct is statistically small.

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[–] BrianFellow 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

And most aren't justified. And almost none of the supposed "good cops" ever do anything to try to drive out or punish the bad ones, and that makes them ALL bad cops, so they pay shills like you to spout your nonsense in threads like this.

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

The fact that people like you spam every thread with shitty defense for corrupt cops just reinforces the idea that they are corrupt, psychotic freaks.

Stop trying your damnedest to defend murderers, just because they have a badge.

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[–] dugitreadittime4voat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Probably, but it still seems like another video shows up daily.

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[–] nuttstobutts 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Shitty people need jobs to make a living. Sometimes shitty people become cops and it takes too long or a terrible event to identify those turds that don't deserve responsibility.

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[–] SnuffyThePunk 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I believe that it's the position of power and authority over others itself that can turn pretty much anyone into a "shitty" cop. (see Stanford prison experiment). So, as long as we, as a society, require (or more accurately believe that we require) governing and policing, this power and authority will constantly be abused by the ones which they are entrusted with.

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[–] 8bitadder 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

And yet the UK seems to be doing a much better job, and I believe it's at least because of their philosophy of policing by consent

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[–] nuttstobutts 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Absolutely. I've known great people that change as soon as they have a bit of power. Fortunately they did not have an issued weapon or the authority to change a persons life because they were having a bad day at work and were unable to separate the job from there fucked up situation.

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[–] A_Guy_Named_Guy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Shared to /v/badcopnodonut

It's sad how many links are in this article alone. This isn't an opinion piece, this is well documented abuse.

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[–] shmegegy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Look what happens to whistleblowers like Chris Dorner. It's no wonder.

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[–] Biohazard 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

Have you actually read the case about Dorner? He was a liar with mental issues. Oh and a murderer.

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[–] shmegegy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's your opinion. I don't recall him ever being convicted or even tried of murder. Have I read the 'case' that the police who he attempted to blow the whistle on put forward? Why would I believe it?

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