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[–] oranges13 0 points 200 points (+200|-0) ago 

This is something which has been going on for a while and is extremely frightening.

Given the technology available today, its becoming harder to tell a real human from a bot. And massive amounts of comments on articles online can and do shape public opinion.

I mean, my father in law believes everything that he reads on Facebook.

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[–] thesilverpig 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

I always just assumed if it didn't pass the bullshit test, it was bullshit. And in order to fine tune the bullshit test I have to challenge myself with new information, different view points, and put my thoughts out to real and fake people and see what others think. There are gaps in the system, but its worked so far.

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[–] whatthehelldamnguy 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah but if there are 20 fake accounts for everyone one of you nothing you say will matter. Especially if they shadow ban random comments of yours as soon as they start to get traction. Thousands of people manage these fake accounts as full time jobs for years.

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[–] oranges13 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Well that's a great metric, but everyone's bullshit meter is different. For example, my father in law believes it's bullshit that President Obama isn't from Kenya.

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[–] Nutz-n-Boltz 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

The fact that you are able to formulate that thought AND put it into coherent words online means you are more intelligent than 9 of 10. Probably 95 of 100. So you kind of get how the 5 of 100 think, but you can't really grasp the mindset of the other 95. It just won't make sense to you.

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[–] voat-simulator 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Heh, as an unintended side-effect, they're actually generating a new era of researchers and critical thinkers.

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[–] Sorahzahd 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Notice that all the major subs made rules against pointing out comment history, or even implying that a poster isn't legitimate in some way.

Reddit is infested with shills like crazy.

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[–] jabjoe 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Comment history outs basic shills quite well. Short history, often just days old account, commenting on just topic in one direction, pro a government or company. But that might be only basic shills. More professional shills probably have multiple clients and make delerate personal interest like posting. And have been going for years.

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[–] ducttape83 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Don't take the washington blog's word for it, hear it from the horse's mouth: This reddit blog post from may 2013 said what the most cities addicted to reddit were. Notice how Eglin Air Force base seems to have quite an interest in reddit. Compared to the Illinois town (a suburb of Chicago), and St Paul, MN, Eglin and its surrounding area is miniscule. The military has been conducting psyops out of Eglin for at least the last 3 years.

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[–] oranges13 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Oh please, I grew up next to Eglin. It's not miniscule - its the largest AFB in existence right now. And its next to one of the largest vacation / tourist destinations in Florida (destin).

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[–] Apathy 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

That's why everyone needs to join at least one private forum.

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[–] oranges13 0 points 54 points (+54|-0) ago 

I would argue that private forums may make the issue worse because it allows people to surround themselves with like minded individuals.

Unfortunately, our media is obsessed with flash-in-the-pan controversy instead of actually focusing on issues and providing meaningful debate.

Not sure what the solution is either. I mean how do you stop people from buying into sensationalism?

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[–] whatthehelldamnguy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That only helps people who are already converted. My parents though will continue to watch fox news.

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[–] ParadigmShift 0 points 174 points (+174|-0) ago 

“As another example, when anti-government messages are spread in social media, government would want to spread counter messages to balance that effort and hence identify people who are more likely to spread such counter messages based on their opinions.”

AKA Shills. I belonged to /r/Conspiracy a long time ago and whenever I brought this up in other subs people would laugh me out of the room. This is the bottom line: The U.S. gov't is attempting to stop protests and riots before they even occur. They know where to go, forum websites such as Reddit and Voat. They are going to the source with a pro-gov't message. Question everything, people.

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[–] Reddiggoat 3 points 84 points (+87|-3) ago  (edited ago)

This is how the OWS movement was stopped. Massive comment brigades on every website about the movement being a joke - people bought it and quit.

Edit - Example: See below.

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[–] ZeroHex 1 points 39 points (+40|-1) ago 

The OWS morphed itself into a joke - funnily enough after it was taken over by SJW forces and they implemented the idea of the "Progressive Stack"system for who got to speak.

There's also some people who think the US Government (a la the FBI or other organizations) infiltrated the OWS movement and encouraged illegal behavior, which then allowed the local police to roll through with relative impunity, but I haven't seen any real sources on that. It might be part of this same project that OP linked though.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago 

Don't kid yourself - Occupy turned itself into a joke by having no leadership or unified message. I haven't liked the Tea Party since the neocons hopped on the bandwagon, but it is impossible to deny that they were MUCH better organized at their peak.

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[–] Kamandi 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

OWS was myopic. The super rich aren't this country's sole problem. If they really wanted to make a difference they should have occupied K Street next (home of Washington DC's top lobbyist offices)

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[–] maxoverdrive 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

The OWS killed itself. It had no clear, singular message, no real leadership, and at the end was nothing more than a platform for SJW bullshit. While I'm sure the government had a hand in this, they really didn't need to do anything at all since OWS was bound to implode on its own given the huge flaws in how it was managed and how directionless it was.

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[–] Lilgreen13 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago  (edited ago)

To this, I would also add the 7th and 190th Ferengi Rules of Acquisition. Fiction, I know, but still good advice imo.

Rule 7. Keep your ears open.

Rule 190. Hear all, trust nothing.

Source, if anyone's interested: http://trekguide.com/rules.htm

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[–] maxoverdrive 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

There are people on Voat right now who're clearly shills for one group or another. The way that they write, the bullshit stories they tell (happy endings with government officers or corporations so long as you "comply" and "cooperate") and so on are real tip-offs, especially when you're realize they're boilerplates for the same shit you've been seeing over and over again for the last ten years. Not nearly on the scale of reddit, of course, but just take a look - you'll see there are already people shilling in certain threads (e.g., "cops are heroes, you have nothing to fear if you've nothing to hide").

On reddit I'd get called a paranoid loon despite articles like this detailing exactly what I'm talking about. Let's see how long Voat lasts in that regard.

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[–] Gorillion 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

What about that vaxxer thread earlier today? Were those idiotic anti-vaxxers fighting the good fight against govt/pharma shills or were they fucking assholes who are bringing back old diseases because they've never experienced them as pandemics first hand?

There has to be a line between resisting Darpa PsyOps and embracing the "counter-narrative" of irrational "conspiratards".

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[–] mcstain 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Do you have any links to examples of the comments you're talking about?

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[–] Shiroe 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm pretty sure Chipotle has people who just troll the internet.

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[–] WookieInHeat 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago  (edited ago)

yes, his conspiracy theory has been vindicated! by a blog post on a website full of articles about 9/11 truths and how the government is controlling our minds with fluoridation and vaccines.

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[–] Taka 0 points 73 points (+73|-0) ago 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - How many times does /r/conspiracy have to be proven right about shady shit going down on Reddit and other social media websites before people start to fucking listen to us?

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[–] losian 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

The problem is that, ironically, the same voices that push some of these agendas also push the idea that conspiracies, in general, are utter nonsense. If you suggest the word to 'conspiracy' to anyone they will immediately associate it with things like "insane, crazy, nonsense," etc. Even if you look back at things that were, by utter definition, a conspiracy then people still will not work with it.

It also doesn't help that, like many communities, those who dig into conspiracy are marginalized by the more insane and outspoken individuals. But it seems to me that the entire idea of 'conspiracy' has been co-opted to automatically mean 'nonsense', it's sad but conspiracy needs a new buzzword that can be used to circumvent this automatic association.

I personally think there's a mix of truth and untruth to it, but it's important that we scrutinize trends that are suspect, especially in a day when, as we see right here, the ability to direct discussion can have a profound impact. Which is why sites like ThatOtherOne and voat and such are important. It's why censorship, comment moderation/removal, etc. are all a big deal. We haven't had a real discussion on an important political issue on a national level in quite some time, and it is beyond sad.

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[–] nbd 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Well tbf conspiracy theories like contrails do nothing to lend legitimacy.

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[–] RagnarokAngel 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Most people don't realize what big tobacco did was a conspiracy and it was proven in open court. Good luck getting shill-swillers to listen to anything labelled a conspiracy.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

People don't even understand what the word conspiracy actually means.

It just goes to show how easy it is to ruin the meaning of a very simple word when it is used against your agenda.

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[–] Caboose_Calloway 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

There is massive, and I mean MASSIVE, effort to discredit conspiracy theories. Most of the loony stuff you see is part of that effort.

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[–] coconuts 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Until we have proof for each theory, each theory should be scrutinized.

I think it's okay to laugh. Sometimes laughing is a natural response to something that our brains can't quite process. But afterwards, our mental state is better able to tackle the issue.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Laughing has never made me fell subjugated, but mockery has. "Tinfoil-hat" and "conspira-tard" were some of the sock-puppet's favorite double-speak/double-think insults on reddit.

Until recently, there was no better way to identify a shill and know when you need to walk away.

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[–] Derbl 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

It truly was glaring...the thin blue line is what scares me the most about living in the US...after that the oligarchy that controls the military and government, pushing programs like the one this thread is regarding...

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago  (edited ago)

It probably depends on the sub, but every time a cop sneezes funny, it goes to the front of /r/news immediately, even with minimal downvotes and comments. And any positive police story gets brigaded with snarky anti-cop comments. If anything, there's a strong anti-cop agenda.

If I were a tinfoil-hat conspiratard, I'd wonder if the end goal was to make people hate police so much that they'll accept martial law as a replacement. As a reasonable guy, I realize it's just media exploiting racial tensions for clicks.

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[–] Robotrollcall- 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago 

A cop sneezes funny? really? almost every cop related post on the front page was cops being dicks or overstepping their authority. Also, calling people conspiratards makes you sound retarded.

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[–] dup-swap-drop 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

The Economist reported last week, in an article on armed U.S. police, that “last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times.” [1]

The police in England and Wales also went two years without killing anyone. It's very rare in most democratic countries for the police to use lethal force. In contrast, American cops killed 928 people last year.

[1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/police-in-england-and-wales-went-two-years-without-fatally-shooting-someone/

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[–] RobinsonCroesus 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

That sounds exactly like what a pro-cop shill would say...

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[–] Sorahzahd 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Go back to /r/ProtectAndServe to push your bullshit pro-criminal-cop narrative.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

The anti-Snowden comments on the post a few weeks back were very un-reddit like. I wasn't really believing in shills at the time but now I am starting to think maybe some of them were.

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[–] AnarchyBurger206 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

lol! The laws didn't mean jack shit. Most of the PSAs were nothing but propaganda and social engineering. The popular media were made to tow the line, or the government shut them out. As for people actually going out and messing with activists, they could call that counter-terrorism, and/or war on drugs investigations. Some stoner sells another stoner a bag of weed before doing some OWS shit, oh well, that's all drug gang activity now. ;) Anything relating to "direct action", like the ALF used to like to do, or the Weathermen, that's all terrorism now. Got yourself one of those rebel flags on your truck? Oh! Must be an aryan gangster selling meth, oyx, or white slaves.

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[–] LurkSubwalker 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

This isn't really surprising. There is a lot of power to be had in controlling social media.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'd go as far as to replace "weird" with "likely" in your comment. Might not be the military directly, but someone is profiting from swaying public opinion, otherwise it would be a bad investment.

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[–] gmon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Buzzfeed has a lot of shit, but the shit pays for their investigative journalism. Michael Hastings was a Buzzfeed journalist. Would post more about him but I'm on mobile, I encourage you to read up on him

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[–] shmegegy [S] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

they don't even understand social media.. or the streissand effect. good for us.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I believe they are trying to find the line. You know, like how far they can go before they tip us off. If this was a test run, it took blatant, open, shameless censorship before reddit even cared enough to say something. I think the internet just failed, assuming this was a test. This is simply foreshadowing of things to come for the internet, and we need to stay alert.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Social media has become the mainstream media (or the MSM for short).

Look at cable news viewership, it's in the toilet. Look at MSM online outlets, they are being bled dry by adblock programs. They are desperate to maintain control, but have no money to do so. Most of all, they are slowly learning that they can do no such thing when everyone has a say, and there is transparency in the system.

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[–] Mel_Gibson 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

This has been exposed for other countries as well. England has just publicly announced funds for their own "internet defense force". And Israel has been doing it since the inception of the internet under "JIDF". Hope more people take internet comments that seem "sophisticated" with a grain of salt. Unless there are sources everything is just an opinion.

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[–] shmegegy [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

it was admitted in Canada that the Harper gov't does this too.. very obvious on r/canada. I've even been swatted by them, gaslighted and they tried to set me up as a terrorist/criminal more than once.

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[–] HinkMyDinkD00d 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

OK excuse me for just being a wee bit skeptical but how exactly did Harper's govt try to set you up as a terrorist?

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[–] Cobra_Kai 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

To me, it is interesting that Moscow has not been mentioned one time in this thread.

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[–] partyinginthematrix 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

I figured something like this was occurring. You're all right in thinking this is the next logical step. Reading articles like this frustrate me though. The government is further breeding a populace of dissent. Ugh, it's an almost helpless feeling.

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[–] bill.lee 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I think that's the primary motivation...particularly, social media present a threat to controlling news and how narratives develop. I think the other aspect relates back to the interest in mind control--social media presents an opportunity to not only influence what a person thinks about but also how they think about it.

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[–] ximian 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

No wonder FB was testing their newsfeed with algorithms that toyed with emotions. good riddance to reddit.

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[–] partyinginthematrix 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Reminds me of different books about dystopian societies. It is something I don't want to be a part of but I feel like I'll never be able to fully remove myself from something like that.

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[–] dup-swap-drop 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

On every forum, in every country.

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