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[–] puggy 1 points 55 points (+56|-1) ago 

SIR! YES SIR! a Voater forever

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[–] BlackGrapeDrank 1 points 63 points (+64|-1) ago 

"Do you realize I have not done a movie in five to six years? Why? Because I was totally blackballed by the ... liberals in Hollywood," he alleged. "They can destroy you. They're hateful people [who] don't just not like you, they want to take away your livelihood ... that's why I live up in the desert on a dirt road ... I don't have to put up with their crap."

Probably why we haven't seen him in movies or tv for a while.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Was bros with Crispin Glover if I recall correctly. Another Hollywood outsider who's woke on the whole deal.

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[–] therealsharpie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It makes me happy to know that he enjoyed his last few years then far away from the horrors of Hollywood's sick childish games.

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[–] Grunge 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I didn't know that, makes me appreciate him that much more.

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[–] ToTheMoonAlice 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"...that's why I live up in the desert on a dirt road..."

That actually sounds kinda nice.

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[–] Der_Untergang 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

This was a masterful performance so in his memory I would like to analyze it and you're all welcome to correct me.

For those of you who haven't seen this movie, this is basically the first scene. Gunny is preparing marines for Vietnam. I'm not a huge movie buff but this scene supposedly caused mothers to send in angry letters to the marines and change the way boot camp was performed based off the language and violence used. Apparently the military followed suit and made boot camp more "manageable" because of this scene.

This offers up a question: Was it necessary in the real world to be so hard on the trainees?

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[–] totes_magotes 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Yes, it was. You think those enemy combatants are going to use nice words? You think they're going to keep their voices down? Not hit you for acting out? The purpose of camp isn't just to train you. It's to break your ego. At least it's supposed to be. Egos get soldiers killed.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Pyle is very much a prototypical soy boy. Clearly raised in a feminized environment. No strong male role model. And when confronted by the adult, male world where you're expected to stow your childish bullshit and carry your weight, he snaps.

(Legitimacy of Vietnam, validity of draft dodging etc aside)

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[–] Faelwolf 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yes, it was/is. War is not play time, and an instuctor's job is to take a bunch of mostly coddled kids and get them ready for the real world of combat, kill or be killed. The enemy isn't going to give you a "time out" when things get tough. If you can't handle being yelled at, you sure as hell aren't going to handle being shelled after 3 days with no sleep, and nothing but a cold ration bar to eat since last night. A big part of the yelling and mind games is to keep you under stress, and train you to think clearly and get the job done no matter what is going on around you, as well as instill discipline and harden you up both physically and mentally. It also weeds out those who just aren't cut out for it, so they don't break in combat and get themselves and their squadmates killed. The old motto was "train hard, so combat comes easy" I worry about the new "kinder, gentler" basic training sending kids out to be slaughtered.

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[–] scrimmmy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Indeed it was. you have to remember, at that time you didn't have an all volunteer military, the draft was still in effect and they were sending people into the military as punishment for crimes, so the only way to motivate the unwilling was through physical violence.

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[–] holaymackal 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"You will learn by the numbers. I will teach you."

Comfy, fam.

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[–] OhRutherfordBehave 1 points 33 points (+34|-1) ago 

The other day, Stefan Molyneux commented that the reason military training got so extreme and intense post WW2 and in the Vietnam Era is because the majority of WW2 soldiers wouldn't shoot their guns.

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[–] frenemy 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

over half would aim high on purpose. it was a problem.

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[–] scrimmmy 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

They did a poor job of dehumanize the enemy early in the war. It was harder for white men to shoot white men. they had less of a problem in the pacific theater as it was easier to dehumanize the japs due to their racial differences and cowardly sneak attack. In viet nam it the got the dehumanization of targets down to a science.

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[–] meow_cow 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I watched a documentary about it. There was only a 15% firing rate during WW2. There is also a lot evidence that suggests that that has always been the case, there were rifles and muskets recovered from battlefields that were loaded multiple times. That is why modern military's shoot at human silhouette targets. It conditions them to kill. The firing rate during the Korean war was 50% and by Vietnam it was 95%.

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[–] GoatyMcGoatface 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

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[–] BlackGrapeDrank 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

part of me wants to laugh watching that...but it makes me fucking angry.

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[–] Chimaira92 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm sure that had more to do with them knowing deep down they were fighting the good guys. Those statistics don't encapsulate the Germans who were fighting to defend their country and Europe from Jewish rule. Their soldiers were aiming to kill the enemy, unlike the Allies.

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[–] buncha_cunts 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's not like they had access to any alternative media or information. All they knew was Germany was invading and bombing our allies. We tried to stay out of that shit as long as we could until the japs went and dragged us into it.

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[–] BAAC 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Read 'On Killing' by Grossman. Fascinating book. They found Revolutionary War rifles that had been loaded more than a dozen times because men would not pull the trigger, even in the face of incoming fire. (The barrels were stuffed solid with lead and powder.) Same with WWI and then WWII. Turns out, you have to condition people to kill...

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[–] Pointyball 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: [Hartman gives a speech to the graduating recruits] Today, you people are no longer maggots. Today, you are Marines. You're part of a brotherhood. From now on until the day you die, wherever you are, every Marine is your brother. Most of you will go to Vietnam. Some of you will not come back. But always remember this: Marines die. That's what we're here for. But the Marine Corps lives forever. And that means YOU live forever.

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[–] DownRange 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Gives me chills.

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[–] GoofyGrape 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

Marines never die. They go to hell and regroup.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Did... did you just culturally appropriate valhalla?

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[–] GoofyGrape 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I just remembered a bumper sticker I saw in Texas many years ago.

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[–] BaldMiscreant 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Farewell, sir. You've earned your rest. I met him at the Knob Creek machine gun shoot some years back, he was rather kind and humble.

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[–] bagano1 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Damn, wow. I haven't seen him on TV for a while, so I knew something was up.

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[–] Sikozen 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Is this true or another accidentally not-dead report? Because that man is a treasure and I kinda want it to be not true.

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[–] Sikozen 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't approve of the way men in America in general are treated, but I hate the idea that the people would lower military standards. It's the military. That's where we want strong and tough testing.

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[–] WiLiV 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Gunny's not dead. He just went to hell to regroup.

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