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[–] edistojim 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Not as simple as you think. Those paper records are kept at the FFL and never go to the feds. To trace that gun from a crime scene you'd have to know when and where it was sold/traded/bought which is damned near impossible. Source is that brother is an ATF agent. The system they use is so archaic that its impossible to tell what gun went where.

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[–] 45321200 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

And private sale is still a thing. I sold all those guns years ago, Mr. Fed.

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[–] edistojim 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Exactly, and you've not broken one law. Too fucking bad Feds.

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[–] welcome_to_voat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Except we're not talking about tracing a specific gun from a specific crime. We're talking about general control/harassment. Go to a FFL, any FFL, open the book, start reading the most recent transactions and working backwards. You'll have some pretty good leads on people to start harassing, go to their home, induce them to forfeit their right to privacy and/or induce them to commit crimes. Even a "simple traffic stop" would include a search of their person for sure, and likely their car. Like any gun control regime, it's not about eradicating 100% of the guns, it's about stomping on people. Quite simple, really.

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[–] edistojim 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Come to my home and harass me, thats a great idea. Stop me and search my vehicle, I don't mind at all, just as you won't mind getting a warrant. And you are correct sir, gun control has not ever been about guns, its all about control.

I went through a license check a year or so ago, I'm usually waved through due to my age. Youngster officer about 22 or 23 asked for license, insurance and registration, I complied with my CCW permit as required in SC. When seeing the permit he stepped back with his hand on his service weapon. I told him to move his hand away from his gun and to retrieve his supervisor immediately. He complied. His Lieutenant gave him a dressing down that embarrassed me, and in front of everyone. Thats gun control I can get behind.

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[–] Hodrige 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

... until the LGS is out of business (which happens too often) or the guy retires! At that point he will have to ship all the records back to ATF.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Those paper records are kept at the FFL and never go to the feds.

Confirmed for the paper records immediately going to the feds, yes.

Source is that brother is an ATF agent. The system they use is so archaic that its impossible to tell what gun went where.

He lied. That’s how they work.

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[–] truthwoke33 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

ATF is dirty and not to be trusted.

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[–] Kster78 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The FFL(gun store) keeps the 4473 that has the make model serial#. It is in paper form. The FFL conducts a NICS background check by phone call with the purchaser's info, not the firearm info. The 4473 stays at the FFL files until the FFL goes out of business, at which point they're sent to the BATFE.

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[–] edistojim 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'll beg to differ, they never leave the FFL holder till they are called for, usually during an investigation of a crime and more often during a routine audit. They are not scanned and the FFL has to retain the paper copy. They are not turned over to the feds unless called for which in not very often. You need to brush up on this stuff. Besides, the task of registering every legal gun in the US would be daunting if damn near impossible, we won't even mention the illegal guns. Between straw sales, trading and family guns, which are all perfectly legal, finding one gun and where it came from would make the gun grabbers dizzy with the difficulty.