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[–] [deleted] 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

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[–] edistojim 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Not as simple as you think. Those paper records are kept at the FFL and never go to the feds. To trace that gun from a crime scene you'd have to know when and where it was sold/traded/bought which is damned near impossible. Source is that brother is an ATF agent. The system they use is so archaic that its impossible to tell what gun went where.

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[–] 45321200 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

And private sale is still a thing. I sold all those guns years ago, Mr. Fed.

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[–] welcome_to_voat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Except we're not talking about tracing a specific gun from a specific crime. We're talking about general control/harassment. Go to a FFL, any FFL, open the book, start reading the most recent transactions and working backwards. You'll have some pretty good leads on people to start harassing, go to their home, induce them to forfeit their right to privacy and/or induce them to commit crimes. Even a "simple traffic stop" would include a search of their person for sure, and likely their car. Like any gun control regime, it's not about eradicating 100% of the guns, it's about stomping on people. Quite simple, really.

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[–] Hodrige 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

... until the LGS is out of business (which happens too often) or the guy retires! At that point he will have to ship all the records back to ATF.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Those paper records are kept at the FFL and never go to the feds.

Confirmed for the paper records immediately going to the feds, yes.

Source is that brother is an ATF agent. The system they use is so archaic that its impossible to tell what gun went where.

He lied. That’s how they work.

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[–] speedisavirus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

FFL-holders have to have written records of every sale or transfer

The FFL does. Not the government. Other than record that the NICS check happened. I mean, unless the FFL goes out of business then they give them to the ATF. Any local enforcement requires a warrant for those records and no judge "should" be granting a blanket warrant on those records.

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also every time a consumer submits a background check that info is stored somewhere. Sure they are supposed to delete those, but who believes the FBI doesn't keep that data and cross-check it for their own purposes?

This right fucking here. There's already a list of gun owners.

citizens have to get a special ID card in order to buy or possess weapons and ammunition

That's totally fucked. Isn't that against the 2A?

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[–] performance 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The background check only has your personal info and that you're buying a gun/rifle/other thing with no specifics.

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[–] elitch2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ha. In Canada I can sell my unrestricted firearms to anyone who has a valid PAL, legally. There is no record. Buy your weapons with cash here, and there is zero paper trail.

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[–] ZenAtheist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah but a couple decades ago there were papers and public listings for private gun sales, but where can you go for that now? I'd love to be able to peruse a local buy-and-sell for guns... but I don't know of any.