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[–] speedisavirus 2 points 37 points (+39|-2) ago 

Nobody is going to give up their guns. The glory is we don't have gun registration. They don't know who has the guns. Not to mention this has already been deemed unconstitutional many times so all one has to do is take it to court. It should be an easy win.

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[–] edistojim 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Not as simple as you think. Those paper records are kept at the FFL and never go to the feds. To trace that gun from a crime scene you'd have to know when and where it was sold/traded/bought which is damned near impossible. Source is that brother is an ATF agent. The system they use is so archaic that its impossible to tell what gun went where.

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[–] speedisavirus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

FFL-holders have to have written records of every sale or transfer

The FFL does. Not the government. Other than record that the NICS check happened. I mean, unless the FFL goes out of business then they give them to the ATF. Any local enforcement requires a warrant for those records and no judge "should" be granting a blanket warrant on those records.

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also every time a consumer submits a background check that info is stored somewhere. Sure they are supposed to delete those, but who believes the FBI doesn't keep that data and cross-check it for their own purposes?

This right fucking here. There's already a list of gun owners.

citizens have to get a special ID card in order to buy or possess weapons and ammunition

That's totally fucked. Isn't that against the 2A?

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[–] elitch2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ha. In Canada I can sell my unrestricted firearms to anyone who has a valid PAL, legally. There is no record. Buy your weapons with cash here, and there is zero paper trail.

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[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

This is one of those charges they tack on after they raid a house for whatever reason. It will be used to get plea deals out of people until one well to do person actually uses it to get all the other charges drop as

Seeking these charges is a clear and blatant assault on my second amendment rights and proves extreme prejudice by the prosecution.

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[–] huhu11 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

People sure did give their guns away when their lives were threatened by the US army. During the Katrina catastrophe innocent citizens got their guns illegally taken away by US army. Their power demonstration showed what (((they))) will do when they truly want to disarm the US citizens. You rather die than give your guns away truly? That was what the innocent Katrina citizens faced.

Want proof? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkUG1F2JiI&feature=youtu.be

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[–] RevDrStrangelove 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Katrina sure did expose the National Guard's willingness to obey unconstitutional orders against Americans. It definitely destroyed the whole "the military won't act against citizens" nonsense.

BUT

There's a flip side to this. The people that had their guns taken were lone holdouts in a city that was largely abandoned. So, sure, a group of 10 National Guardsmen kicking in the door of someone holed up by themselves after the storm was effective. However, a SHTF scenario is a horse of an entirely different color. Katrina was a hurricane not a civil war. When evacuation isn't an option and your only choice is to stand and fight, I promise there won't be many firearms confiscated. They'll try, let there be no doubt, but there won't be many takers.

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[–] Dysnomia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All it takes is one dumbassed judge to set a precedent. The courts are a dangerous place to bring these arguments.

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[–] HarveyKlinger 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I talked to a guy who was at the town hall event on this. A lot of opposition turned out and made excellent points. Their mind was made up before it started or before any votes were taken.

I'll bet a million dollars that the majority of gun owners their keep their "illegal" guns. That $1000 a day fine is ridiculous and impossible to enforce.

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[–] ZenAtheist 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

All the conservatives should sell their houses to blacks and muslims and move away. That would turn the whole place into a fetid crime shithole.

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[–] HarveyKlinger 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That would be the town of Ford Heights, IL who did just that. Jobs dried up, people moved. Now I'm afraid to go through there in the day time when it's warm outside. In the winter, it's a little more safe. A little...

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's what they want

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[–] aria_taint 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

What they're attempting to do is not legal. It's an unmitigated violation of the 2nd Amendment. I would hope those gun owners take the law into there own hands and take out those treasonous faggots.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

The ban is illegal. Just ignore it.

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[–] Norseman 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

The ban is illegal. Just take it to court.

Fixed

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[–] Tallest_Skil 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It has already been to court. It is illegal. We don’t need another 20 million dollar, 10 year court case.

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[–] BB-3 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Freedom is dangerous.

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[–] Joe10jo 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Said earlier in the post, I actually live in the next town over from Deerfield, in Highland Park. What people I hope realize is that this area (Deerfield, Highland Park, Lake Forest, Lake Bluff, Winnetka, Glencoe, Wilmette) is what makes up the North Shore of Chicago. I live in HP, used to live in LF. This is such a joke bc these are historically 99.9% safe. Old, old money families and then some. Think the Sears, Walgreens, wrigleys, Emanuel’s (as in Rahm)...... like this is the last place that could be made any safer than it already is. Where I live in HP, majority Jewish and Democrat, as are most of the other ones I mentioned, with the exception of Lake Forest and Lake Bluff. Someone’s already asked in this thread if the new law is gonna cause an upsurge in home sales. Unfortunately it won’t, bc the schools in the district rank in the highest in the country. For instance, my daughter’s 3rd grade teacher (10 years ago) was making 82k a year whereas her 4th grade one retired that year at 120k. Point being, these dumbasses around here will gladly give up their weapons, if many are to be found around here to begin with. That’s what’s so funny about this being in Deerfield. It’s bc NOTHING happens around here. The last “big news” murder involved some kids from HP but the murder took place in Evanston or Skokie, which both are closer to the city and far, far removed from the bubble of Highland Park, Deerfield, Lake Forest, etc.... No matter how safe it is around here, ie doors unlocked even at night, I despise living here for this exact reason. The democrats in my town drive me apeshit and have been doing so for the better part of the last 10 years. Like, some of you guys wouldn’t believe what I’ve gone through around here via the school system and I’m 99.9% sure it’s because of my southern accent. Burns me up!

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[–] Shilly_Mc_Shillface 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

@Joe10jo As a South Sider, I gotta ask: What is it like living up there? All my old Jew bosses live up there and I've visited, but living there has to be a trip- especially being from the South.

How entitled and out-of-touch are these people? They seem very removed from reality. This unenforceable gun law is an example. It isn't to target locals, it's those spooks that pass through, I'd guess? I don't get why you would want the world to know that all these rich, old, Jewish people are sitting in their mansions, with no weapons. What is to be gained in a low-violence community by turning-in guns? Where is the logic at???

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[–] Joe10jo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So the good thing is that it’s almost as good as 99% safe. Like I can leave my door unlocked at night. And that’s what makes the gun confiscation so absurd, don’t you think? It makes me wonder if the next thing coming is a school shooting drill that goes live. My husband grew up in Lake Forest which is old money and I have to tell you that the kids there are pretty respectful but here in Highland Park where we’ve lived the last 10 years the kids call their parents “motherfucker’s” and shit like that. None of the kids do anything to help out around the house, the parents and schools enable it. BIG TIME! Pisses me off so bad! My fam lives paycheck to paycheck but all the other families take like 4 major vacations a year and not to Florida but to places like the Galápagos Islands. None of the mothers work. All they do is yoga and fundraise. What kills me is that most of the moms have law degrees etc so all the money spent on school for nothing. It’s pretty much everything you’d suspect. The buggiest surprise may be this: the parents in Highland Park (99.9% Jewish) are way more generous than parents in Lake Forest (100% Wasp). Total shocker, right? My one daughter has friends who’s parents have paid her way on lots of vacations like to Aspen or NYC. To me, that’s the main shocker!!

What else do you wanna know?

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[–] Joe10jo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hi Shily, sorry it took so long to get back to you but I just checked my messages. Dude, where do I start? Lol Also this weathers making my whole body ache so gimmrna sec to take some ibuprofen bc even my fingers hurt.

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[–] enormousatom 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All the rich people have to do is pay the law enforcement or "retired" law enforcement as private security. They can have guns on call. In almost any city, you can call the police and actually rent policemen for events by the hour.

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[–] ZenAtheist 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

So much for "shall not be infringed" and "cold dead hands".

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[–] captainstrange 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

shall not be infringed

No, no, no, that wasn't written as a restraint on the government--it is a warning to the government about consequences down the line if they ignore said warning.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 8 points -3 points (+5|-8) ago 

There are no consequences. Ever. An entire century of gun restrictions and confiscations have occurred. No one has ever fought back.

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[–] odb281 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

How do they plan on enforcing this ordinance?

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[–] totes_magotes 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

With guns.

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[–] anticlimactech 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Sounds like it's time for the people of Deerfield to GTFO. If you can afford to do it, sell your house cheap so the place goes to shit faster.

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[–] Shilly_Mc_Shillface 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Lol. They voted FOR this. They are all Jewish old people with mansions and Police that keep crime out.

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[–] MoneyIsTiming 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Cheaper and more responsible path is to consult a pro-gun attorney and learn about all risks. You fucks think you know the law and nuances of local courts, you dont know shit idiot, talk to someone who knows more about this. They will help you put the right pieces in the right places to ensure you know the risks and even rewards. City governments arent run by geniuses, people sue townships and cities and win.

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[–] anticlimactech 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Except court ends up being ridiculously expensive, especially if you end up being charged with something. Sure you can probably win this sort of case eventually, but not until it has been appealed out of the state of IL. The article says there's already another nearby township with a similar law. If it were me, I would just get out. Illinois is only going to get worse for gun owners anyway.

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