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[–] DaMan123456 1 points 69 points (+70|-1) ago 

The internet prices are ridiculous. The cable companies (looking at you comcast) as laughing so hard at the fact we actually pay them this much. The speeds we get compared to other countries are so low.

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[–] rothx 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

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[–] DaMan123456 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yep. thats what they are doing right now.

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[–] Treviso 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

It really is. I pay 25€ a month for 100Mbit Down/5Mbit Up and no data cap here in Germany.
I couldn't imagine paying hundreds for internet access and get a data cap as a cherry on top.

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[–] DorkJedi 0 points 31 points (+31|-0) ago  (edited ago)

When their local monopoly is broken, it works that way in the US. Out here in Utah they defied Comcast and Century link (who had divided the territory between them with no-compete clauses).
The cities banded together and installed community fiber to the main cities. The usual "unfair competition" laws had been passed so they did an easy end run around them- they do not run an ISP. they invited anyone and everyone (including Comcast and CenturyLink) who wants to use the fiber equal access to it at a very low rate. They refused, but a dozen other ISP's sprang up and took the offer.
Over several years, they expanded the fiber until it is pretty rare to not have it available. And they go out of their way to run extra lengths to you if possible.

I pay $70/mo (about €63) ($30 fiber fee and $50 ISP) for 1Gb/1Gb no cap. And I do get really good throughput. If the sending server can handle it, I get 1Gb downloads and uploads. It is almost never out, and the few times it has gone out it is for minutes, not hours. No throttling, I can run Netflix at 1080p on all 4 TV's and still have no issues in online games and downloads.
And I get an apology email explaining what happened and crediting me a day of service fees.
Since there is real competition, they try hard. Customer service is friendly and helpful as well as fast. If it wasn't, I have a dozen other options I can choose, and the switchover is a phone call, change happens in about an hour with no loss of connection. I did it once because the ISP was not responding to emails requesting info about their TV service so I switched to the ISP that did reply.

Comcast and CenturyLink spend tens to hundreds of millions every year trying to get the fiber shut down and oppose any expansion of it. They COULD put that money in to upgrading their network to be competitive, but we see where their priorities are.

Edit: add link to the program, since several people have asked about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Telecommunication_Open_Infrastructure_Agency

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[–] Cody-WanKenobi 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I just agreed to pay approximately $70 for 30Mb Down with 100Mb Down coming "soon". It's the only real option where I'm going and it hurts, since in St. Louis (where I currently live), I'm paying $40 for 100Mb Down/5Mb Up...

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[–] grimbaz 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

25... Jesus... I pay $100 + Tax for the same speeds with data caps.

I feel so cheated. >.<

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[–] Ihmhi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Newark, NJ, USA here. US$60 a month for 15/1 or something like that. It works well enough but the price relative to the speed is absurd when you know how much other countries are getting.

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[–] totes-mah-voats 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Cable companies suck because there isn't competition. I am very wary of the policies this duo would implement to bring prices down.

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[–] fukitok 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I would love to hear the reason for the cost of my internet doubling every year despite having the same speed. Well, it doubles unless I line up a new provider, then suddenly I can keep the same price for another year.

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[–] DaMan123456 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You hear that comcast, this guys wants you to be resonable.

Comcast : Too bad. We don't give a fuck.

fukitok : Yea, going to time warner

Comcast: WAIT!!!

fukitok : Yea?

Comcast: We still don't give a fuck!

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[–] DorkJedi 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You are lucky you have an option. Most don't.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

And this is why everybody on Voat loves Bernie.

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[–] darwinsblackboxers 3 points 22 points (+25|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I'm actually seeing a lot of Bernie hate on this site, probably because they can't be down voted nearly as much as reddit

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[–] ilikemyname 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Yeah, hate might be a strong word. More like, extremely cautious to side with his viewpoint. But yes, we aren't downvoted to oblivion here. Differing opinions are way more welcome so long as they are civil.

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[–] totes-mah-voats 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Is disagreement hate?

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's not what the front page says. Well, must be in smaller subs.

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[–] TThor 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The more time I spend on voat the more there seems to be a strong rightwing slant for a bunch of users. I don't mind discussing things with people of opposing views, it can make for good discussion and introspection of one's ideas; the problem is with how a lot of said people go about these discussion, typically overly aggressive and fallacious in nature, which only serves to make things more polarized, which makes people more aggressive and fallacious in discussions, which just forms a vicious cycle inevitably leading to people just throwing feces at each other like the monkeys we are.

Before someone starts saying "But reddit is like that with liberal people", Yes it is, and that is awful shit, it doesn't make this aggressive behavior any more useful here. Circlejerking, no matter what the topic, just hurts EVERYONE.

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[–] californianative 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

not everyone supports his socialistic ideas sir

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[–] DorkJedi 4 points 10 points (+14|-4) ago 

But the sane ones do. Too many people have a negative Pavlovian response to the word who have no idea what it really means.
The US has many socialist aspects that people use and would never part with, like Social Seciroty, Medicare/Medicaid, hiways, fire department, police....

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[–] themanlyhegoat 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I like Bernie and I actually like some aspects of socialism (like free high-quality education and some basic level of healthcare), but there are other aspects where I just can't agree... like taxing the rich only because they are rich.

The whole system is broken and needs to be remade, if socialism is implemented, it has to be based on fairness of opportunity, not outcome.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was hyperbolizing. I know that.

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[–] AverageAmerica 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The family unit is socialism in action. Did you pay for your child rearing one day at a time or was it a monthly subscription?

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[–] TenNineteenOne 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I really like both Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul. IDK what that makes me.

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[–] mattfloyd 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Same here! Imagine a world where those two win the primaries. For the first time I'd be voting not just so the other guy doesn't win.

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[–] totes-mah-voats 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

They are ideologically very different. Bernie employs populist rhetoric to advance an agenda that would expand government control. Rand Paul is entirely opposed to expanding the government.

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[–] Leer10 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I like the fact that both of them are genuine. I respect Rand Paul and I like a few of his ideas but not enough to be my first choice. I would certainly like to see them go head to head in a debate.

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[–] ilikemyname 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What do you like about each of them?

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[–] ilikemyname 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Not everyone :) But yes, many.

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[–] MaxDragon 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Why did they suddenly realize this was an issue?

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[–] cheesedog [S] 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Good Q. I assume part of the reason is that for most issues politicians don't say shit until they think they can win

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[–] MaxDragon 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Election time coming up.

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[–] 30GoingOn13 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I don't think it's a matter of suddenly realizing the issue, but more of pushing when the time is right.

It may not hurt that Warren is from MA and there are 22 towns in the western part of the state building their own internet service because of the lack of options, etc.

@skymod posted this to futurology but I have no clue how to cross-post submissions so here's the direct link to the article.

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

My town just voted to approve wired west. It's such relief since the homes near town only have DSL which is crumpling since it's not worth it to the provider to fix it when the lines break and everyone else has satellite or no internet.

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[–] Icarus2 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Exactly. Living in Boston, I have one choice, Comcast. For $90 a month I get very average speeds.

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[–] DorkJedi 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Its not sudden, both have been railing against the major ISPs for a long time. This is just the latest attempt to reign them in.

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't know about Warren but I know Sanders has been encouraging municipal fiber as a solution for ISP's stagnation and monopolies for a while now. Vermont even has it in some areas IIRC. Massachusetts has been well on it's way too with Wired West.

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[–] nogoodliar 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I'm paying $70/month for 20 Mbps internet that speed tests at 9 mbps. So tired of getting fucked while CEOs fly around in gold plated jets.

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[–] no_tyrant 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I live in a small US city with a lot of local ISPs and competition. I pay $30/mo for 70 Mbps down and 50 Mbps up, and I've never seen throttling despite high network activity (I often work from home and regularly download gigs of satellite imagery). It pisses me off that the service I get is an extreme outlier instead of the norm.

Edit: a word

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[–] retro_falcon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Where do you live and are there houses for sale in your neighborhood?

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[–] MarcoZ 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Jesus christ, even Sicily, in southern italy gets better profiles than that, and we're one of the worst countries for digital divide. I run a 16 mbit\1mbit up profile most of the time, and it speed tests at 14 and 0.7.

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

If I had any other choice I'd switch: http://nushtel.com/cable-internet.htm

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[–] mipbar 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Holy shit, that's criminal

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Legalized monopolies. If I want internet access, I have literally no other provider and they know it.

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[–] kankles 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Run some cable to bumfuck Alaska, see how much you need to charge the literal hundreds of customers to make a profit.

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[–] NippleTip 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

"High-Speed Internet" --> 512/128kbps

Does not compute.

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

They're not legally allowed to call it broadband anymore, so high-speed it is!

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[–] themanlyhegoat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

1998 called and said go... get the fuck out of here, it's over already

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[–] kankles 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Someone is too young to remember dial up and too urban to know satellite.

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[–] chapacha 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Oh man, I'm so sorry... :( Those prices are seriously crazy.

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[–] Evarigan 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There is no defending that pricing model, but bear in mind that the costs for the ISP goes up the more sparely populated an area is - especially when you want a higher end speed.

If the equipment you connect to serves lets say 48 subscribers (on the low end), they are paying the same amount for that equipment whether there are 5 people connected to it or the full 48. And then there is the circuits connecting that equipment upstream, they can either throw a few T1s on there as uplink if there are only a handful of subscribers and only offer around 1m speeds. Or if they want to offer higher end speeds they have to use at minimum a DS3 (45m of bandwidth), but probably an OC3 or higher and maybe even a gigabit ethernet circuit. The fewer subs there are to pay for that(not to mention all of the other circuits and equipment upstream and the maintenance and operation costs to keep it running) the more expensive that gets for the ISP.

But like I said, there is no defending that pricing model. They charge as much as they can get away with and with little or no competition that is what you end up with.

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

A mitigating factor is that the network itself was built using federal funds from the Connect America program, but I do agree about maintenance costs. What frustrates me the most is the caps, which don't make sense from a network management perspective specifically because we have such a low population, which means much less traffic congestion. It's purely a money making mechanism on top of an already expensive plan.

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[–] ClassicLiberaltarian 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Coincidentally local governments help keep prices high through almost doubling start up costs. Yet another problem the government made worse and now we can supposedly fix it with more government.

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[–] ilikemyname 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Answer: Lack of competition!

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[–] The_Time_Master 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think this may be Bernie's way of appealing to the younger voting demographics who have cut their cable feeds and get most of their entertainment through the Internet.

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[–] themanlyhegoat 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

And I'm sold... this old guy understands it...

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[–] Zodi 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Bernie is appealing to every demographic by just standing up for what we've been trying to get the common politician to acknowledge for the last 40 years.

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[–] The_Time_Master 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, if he can make it past Hillary I'll end up voting for him.

/I'm a republican and ALL of the republican candidates are fucking nuts in my eyes.

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