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[–] Immoral_Man 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I don't mind them removing it up from the State building. I more take issue with department stores and shopping outlets refusing to sell it now, and people campaigning to have it removed from museums. Curtailing access to a product that people should have a right to buy and white guilt laden revisionist history won't help anyone.

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[–] jayenomics [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It is well within their right to not sell the symbol though. I'm sure plenty of places are still selling it.

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[–] Immoral_Man 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They'd have more of a leg to stand on if the online distributors that stopped selling it removed all their Nazi memorabilia as well, and Walmart didn't make ISIS cakes. It's a reactionary move to placate the public outcry. They might as well stop carrying all offensive and unsavory materials at this point if they want to be consistent.

Companies are well within their right to fire you for words that you say, because the 1st Amendment only extends so far. It's the principle of free speech that they're infringing on, and it's the principle that many people believe in. Even though these companies are well within their right to do as they please, I would argue on principle that they are wrong, but that's just my personal opinion.

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[–] X_805 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't mind them removing it up from the State building.

What they should have done was sold the war memorial to a private historical group rather than take a flag down.

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[–] brother_tempus 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

Censorship is the action ignorance takes when confronted with freedom. The SC government has now publicly stated its ignorance

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[–] jayenomics [S] 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

So you'd be okay with a state government flying a Nazi flag?

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[–] lbruiser 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

  • Nazi is a German thing.

  • The southern states didn't kill a group of civilians to the same amount as the Holocaust

This is apples and oranges.

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[–] brother_tempus 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

i could care less ... those whose ideology is tied to a flag are more dangerous than the flag itself

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[–] New_years_day 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I would be impressed with the amount of balls it would take to stand up for what you believe in.

1st Amendment, look it up.

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[–] johnnyfresno 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

You really don't understand the impact of symbolism, do you? This is NOT censorship. The government is NOT forcing the citizenry to remove any flags from their personal collection; they are just recognizing that this symbol has a hate filled meaning for a large portion of the population. Is this going to end racism and get everyone to join hands and sing kumbaya? Of course not, but at least the State Government is saying that they now would like to fly a symbol over the capital that doesn't represent division and seperation.

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[–] brother_tempus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You really don't understand the impact of symbolism, do you?

symboism - the particular idea or quality that is expressed by a symbol. The freedom of expression as stated in the dictionary definition of symbolism is defended by the 1st Amendment and thus making the actions of the SC State government censorship

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[–] hypercat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I would just think they would fly their own state flag? I had never seen the blue flag before and just assumed the stars and bars was their official state flag. I mean shouldn't the state building represent the state? I think it's more insulting they don't fly their own flag, like it's somehow inferior.

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[–] brother_tempus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I am a Northerner myself .. i just don;t have regional bias about things

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[–] twomoreandatinkle 6 points 3 points (+9|-6) ago 

It's about time. It's only 100 years late.

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[–] X_805 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They should have sold the war memorial to a private historical group or something, not taken that flag down.

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[–] Dunkle 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just came by to say that the flag hadn't been up for that long. It was erected in 1961. Government said it was for the 100th anniversary of the civil war... we all knew it was because of SC's opposition to the civil rights movement.

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[–] lbruiser 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm going to disagree with you. Slavery was only a part of the civil war. In fact the reason it was brought up was President Lincoln was afraid of European powers helping the southern states and needed to bolster support. In fact President Lincoln himself had slaves. It was an upset in power and a disagreement with the power the union had over states.

Taking the flag down only serves as a distraction from the TPP.

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[–] steamboat_willie 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yea you probably should post a few sources for that. Although I agree with you that it was part of the reasons, the devil is in how big a part. The south had plenty of opportunities to defuse things by freeing their slaves. But owning people and forcing them to do slave labor was more important. OWNING PEOPLE.

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[–] xpdx 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Even putting slavery aside it should still come down. Flying the flag of a separatist movement over the statehouse shouldn't be allowed. Would any other country allow the symbol of traitors be flown over government buildings? Either start the war back up or take the flag down. Feel free to fly it in your own yard or paint it on your privately owned Dodge Charger if you want tho.

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[–] RAIDguy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's only been there since 1961.

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[–] Upside_Downy_Junior1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Nikki Haley is getting all the credit for taking down the flag. But in 2012 when she was running for her second term she said she had "talked to alot of CEOS and they never complained about the flag." The ONLY reason she has flipped her opinion is because of the Charleston shootings. This woman doesn't give a shit about black people's problems.

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[–] johnny861 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Welcome to the 20th century, South Carolina! We hope you enjoy that century as much as we did.

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[–] Lordperiwinkle 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Fast track passed, distraction no longer nessecary.

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[–] MOTIF 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Reddit going down, marriage equality enacted, confederate flag lowered - its the dawn of a new era, whoot!

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[–] aileron_ron 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

And what about all the other reminders all over the south, some people will never be happy.