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[–] Plavonica 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Here's the thing for me: we aren't just sending some random asshole off the street in there. I think there should be a small vanguard of highly trained elites who train daily in chaotic environments to correctly identify what is going on. Just generally being able to fight in a general war is completely different training requirements than someone who would be trained to take out a school shooter.

I think there should be at least 2-3 trained in such a way for each school district.

We look at these events as if the bad guy has a big red arrow pointing at him like a damned video game, and all of the bystanders will cooperate fully with you in order to give you a clear shot at the fucker.

Just a hint.

He is probably the one with a gun shooting at people in a no-gun zone. And most people are probably not running towards him. I would also seriously doubt many crowds would help hide him in any way shape or form. Even if they did, and somehow didn't fuck him up once he was surrounded, it would be blatantly obvious who it was. And either he is using a human shield, in which case you distract him to keep him from shooting at other people until the sniper can get him, or he is just shooting at the people around him, in which case you just shoot him because the longer you wait the more people die.

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It can be hard to see a person with a rifle behind gunsmoke and dozens of students running in every direction. Even if you try to go by sound, you're practically deaf after hearing a few shots from a rifle indoors without hearing protection.

You're making the same mistake I keep seeing, you're ignoring the UTTER CHAOS of a scenario like this. You're ignoring the physiological responses the police have, you're ignoring the extremely high potential that an officer mistakenly shoots bystanders (especially if he's using a pistol). "Just shoot him" is NOT sound tactical advice for handling something like this, there are countless variables that need to be considered. I wish it was as simple as you and a lot of folks want to make it, but it isn't.

Let me be clear here and give my stance on the deputy or w/e that was stationed at the school- he absolutely should've been heading for the gunshots. That's his JOB. He is armed and presumably trained to handle this kind of scenario. But the police who arrive on the scene 5 minutes after it begins, being fed all kinds of conflicting information and trying to control the mobs of civilians scattering in every direction, while trying to also be prepared for the threat... it's a massive task and it's disrespectful and childlike to try to boil it down to "I would've ran in there and killed him myself by beating him with a chair!", or "That cop should've just Rambo'ed in there and blasted the fool!" because you don't take into account the infinite variables involved here.

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It can be hard

Yes, hence the training.

you're ignoring the UTTER CHAOS of a scenario like this. You're ignoring the physiological responses the police have, you're ignoring the extremely high potential that an officer mistakenly shoots bystanders

Hence the training.

"Just shoot him" is NOT sound tactical advice for handling something like this, there are countless variables that need to be considered.

Yes, hence the training. Besides, if the people around him are already being shot, bye the shooter, then killing the shooter before he kills even more people is sound. Again, the longer you wait, the more people die.

you don't take into account the infinite variables involved here.

Can you guess it? Training. Lots of shit goes into proper training, including testing and analyzing what to do for each scenario. All the bullshit you can bring up are solvable problems. We simply have to have the will to get them accomplished. Instead we have 300lb blue-haired retards trying everything they can to remove people's gun rights whilst spewing all the crap you are.

Fuck that.

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[–] ironnickel 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

until the sniper can get him

Nice imagination where first responders go in fast enough to make a difference, but after a dedicated marksman has arrived and sufficient information has been obtained such that an appropriate vantage point is selected.

Also 2-3 operators even at the county level equates to 10,000 people receiving special forces/ERT training daily.

tl;dr you've got to be shitting me

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ok, I'm sure you're the expert here.