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[–] RoundWheel 2 points 124 points (+126|-2) ago 

Reminding everyone that this is perfectly legal. He did nothing wrong; albeit immoral. According to ethical standards he's golden. He broke no laws or regulations. According to SCOTUS they have zero legal obligation to do anything, ever, for anyone.

This is why the second amendment is so important. The legal standard literally is that YOU are the only one responsible to help you. And the communist want to ensure you can't do this. Meaning, fuck you, die!, according to the communist.

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[–] Smarty_jc 2 points 40 points (+42|-2) ago 

I wish this was pasted on billboards. Cops are only legally bound to protect property. Soryy i only have one upgoat to give.

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[–] eyeVoated 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Yet the satanic communist agenda is to make us all slaves, a.k.a. property. Hmmm...polishes rifle.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What about human federal government property? Is a material item worth $5 or less more to you then?

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is actually a good ruling: the state shouldn't be allowed to compel citizens to give up their liberty and act contrary to their wishes in a life-or-death situation. That being said, you want police officers who are brave and ethical enough to shoulder the full burden of their position. Lots of cops and firemen do put their lives on the line and throw themselves into dangerous situations, and the ones who aren't willing to should be put on desk duty. But the state has no right telling a cop that he's legally disallowed from just walking away.

It's also a good example of how you can't depend on police to protect you or your family. It shows the importance of strong, brave, ethical men in your family, circle of friends, and community.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

If the state wants to make it next to impossible to protect my self then the police better step the fuck up and be there in less then 5.

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[–] 12000269? 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

This is why mass gun confiscation will never happen in America. The pro-gun cops won't do it, and the anti-gun cops would be too big of pussies to even carry it out once the first shots start flying past their head.

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[–] Malayar 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Mass gun confiscation

Nope, it sure won't. They, instead, opt for the slow burn. The frog in the boiling water. Make this or that accessory illegal one year. Next year vote in more strict ammunition regulations. Limit clip and magazine sizes. Keep that up for 20 or 30 years and all we'll be left with is pea shooters, even as the 2nd amendment remains intact on paper.

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[–] RedditisPropaganda31 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

They did this before during Hurricane Katrina. Door to door gun confiscation.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

and the anti-gun cops would be too big of pussies to even carry it out once the first shots start flying past their head.

There's plenty of cops willing to sign up for SWAT teams for no-knock entries and dawn raids. Any house that refuses to be searched will get steamrolled by ex-military adrenaline junkies whenever it's weakest.

They don't have to take any risks like politely declaring their intent and waiting for the inhabitants to arm themselves. They'll just do it like Waco or Malheur.

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[–] RightEdge 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

if you think they can't find enough assholes who'll rob you of your Rights, Property... You just don't understand crooks.

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[–] Grunge 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

spot on. The police aren't going to help you, they want Americans dead and replaced. The NWO depends on that to succeed.

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[–] acheron2012 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

Remember as you’re dying the police have no legal obligation to protect you. The US Supreme Court has declared it thus.

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[–] RightEdge 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

you are correct. That is why as a LEO, and then a former LEO... I have ALWAYS supported the Second Amendment. Whenever I was called to go and take a report(and, that is most of what you do) I would far prefer it to be about the victim killing the fucking asshole as opposed to the asshole killing the victim. ANY front line LEO understands this.

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[–] captainstrange 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

RightEdge you guys are getting an unfair rap by the media, painted as trigger-happy black baby killers and in a lot of places it has reached levels of hysteria. It's sickening. News media is endangering the lives of cops and white people in general.

Keep on keepin' on.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

ANY front line LEO understands this.

Not necessarily any of them, but any of the good ones. I remember one of the news stories about a granny who shot a dindu ransacking her home, the police officer at the scene told the cameras that it's better to call the cops and wait than defend your own home. I'd imagine in the anti-gun areas that opinion isn't uncommon.

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[–] JohnGoodman 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

The FBI probably told him to stand down and not interfere with their op

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[–] EvilSeagull 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That theory fits.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There's a time for certain officials when you're fucked either way and that is what resignation is for. Thus, the good guys in the wrong place and time live to fight another day.

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Can you recall a SINGLE incident like this in which the police ACTUALLY ENGAGED THE SUBJECT?! It's not "protocol" to confront active shooters.

This goes all the way back to Columbine, where the executions in the library were taking place roughly 10 meters from about half-a-dozen grown men, armed police. They dutifully report every shot they heard, but not one of them decided "every shot I hear is a DEAD CHILD, fuck protocol, I'm not going to stand here while this continues!"

The only way these maniacs go down, is with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, or if Average Joe nuts up and tackles the sonofabitch, or happens to have his own piece on him. How do these shooters react when fire is returned, or they encounter potential resistance? They fucking panic, they run, often they pop themselves right on the spot.

The biggest reason police do not engage in these incidents is because of "fog of war". Tremendous chaos, shouting and running in every direction, unknown number of attackers; most of the time, if a cop decided to go Rambo on a school shooter, he'd probably end up accidentally shooting innocents.

The question becomes: WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH POLICE ENGAGING SOONER, INCREASING COLLATERAL DAMAGE BUT ALSO INCREASING CHANCES OF SHOOTER BEING STOPPED SOONER? It'll be different in every situation, but personally I believe proactive engagement is better than letting the maniac have the run of the place until the cops feel comfortable.

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[–] novictim 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Can you recall a SINGLE incident like this in which the police ACTUALLY ENGAGED THE SUBJECT?!

That is exactly the point I am trying to make as well. The officers are trained and chosen for their willingness to obey protocol. WHAT WAS THE PROTOCOL?

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Back in Columbine, the "mass shooting" was such a new thing that protocol was "surround and contain". Basically it boils down to "create a perimeter that nobody can pass, locate the threat, and send in SWAT raids when they are prepared". For Columbine, this protocol meant that not a single officer entered the school building for about THREE HOURS AFTER HARRIS AND KLEBOLD OFFED THEMSELVES.

Supposedly, training and new contingencies were developed after Columbine to respond better. One of the improvements that was supposed to come is that "officers will move to engage the threat quickly". Doesn't that seem like something a child could come up with? "Bad man hurting lots of defenseless people, good man with gun should try to stop him ASAP!"

Nobody wants collateral damage. But would you rather have an officer engage early, rush into the chaos, accidentally shoot and injure/kill two bystanders and eliminate the threat in five minutes? Or wait as long as it takes for police to feel safe enough to engage, and walk in to find a bloodbath? Do you think those 2 unfortunate deaths caused in the line of destroying the threat are a necessary sacrifice to prevent a dozen more murders?

God forbid I ever found myself without my piece in a mall being shot up, but I would have zero complaints if it came down to me being shot through the belly by a cop if he was aiming to hit the maniac. Hell, I'd grab the fucker and hang onto him and take as many slugs as I could, hopefully dragging the sonofabitch to hell with me. What do you guys think?

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, why don't you call them up and beg for a disclosure?

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[–] RightEdge 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

you are an idiot that doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about. You OBVIOUSLY have NO education, much less experience in law enforcement. It is so easy for you to spout off at that asshole under your nose. You have NO idea what the fuck you're talking about. You have to be an idiot.... or... you wouldn't be taking the position of knowing something that you know absolutely nothing about.

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I didn't claim any authority here. Just opinion based on information that's out there and documentation of past events. I am acknowledging that this is a really difficult thing to sort out because of security/police's right to life, and the best way to approach a specific scenario with uncountable variables... I'm just advocating that a faster engagement might be better than a slower one.

I'll leave it to SWAT and the military to figure out the details, and there's a way I HOPE I'd act if something like that ever happened around me. Can't know how you'll act till it happens though.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They should be able to adapt to the situation, cops are allowed to speed,text and drive well also using the police laptop and plate scanner to find targets, that kind of multitasking should work just fine stopping a shooter.

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Agreed, adaptation and initiative are traits that win life-or-death fights. However, adaptation and initiative are not "protocol" for police in these situations. "Initiative" is replaced with "wait for back-up" and "adaptation" is replaced with "try to solve this new problem in the manner a similar problem was solved 5 years ago".

In the military, snipers and special forces MUST have initiative and adaptability. These attributes are essential for fighters to operate on their own, and take decisive actions without having to hear it from an officer whom they may not even be in contact with.

Anti-police brutality training shuts down and discourages initiative. Watch any footage of police pulling over, oh idk, a combative sheboon. Instead of realizing "this bitch cray, I'm going to kick her in the face and cuff her", they defer to "I...I'd better call my Sergeant." And then sarge gets there, becomes uncomfortable, and calls in HIS boss. They have to climb several ranks before you find someone with real initiative and the will to get the job done.

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[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

he'd probably end up accidentally shooting innocents.

Just happened with that guy who wrestled the gun away from the shooter. Bang, cops shot him. (he's still alive)

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[–] R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

Victims families need to go after the department for wrongful death because this guy is a pussy. Or smart because he didn't want to engage mossad operators.

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[–] The_Red_Kraken 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Or bribed. Or threatened.

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[–] l_voated_today 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

he

It will be interesting to find out if that's the case.

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[–] EvilSeagull 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So the deputy is the chosen fall guy. The police department has deep pockets, let's go after them. Really?

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[–] SayTan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

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[–] HST 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So they should be suing the school district, whose care those kids were under.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I've got nothing against cowards. A lot of people are not cut out to be heroes. But I do have an issue with cowards who put on the badge of a peacekeeper and pretend to be police officers. The police can't afford to hire cowards. Too much depends on how officers act under pressure.

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[–] MadBro 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

These guys are who they expect to protect them when we have to give up our firearms. Them and the FBI, lol.

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's the important distinction here. Nobody is legally obligated to risk their life for someone else.

But when taking a job as "protector of society" or "military", there's an understanding that those roles involve great personal sacrifice, up to and including death. Do you want anyone enlisting in the Army if they aren't willing to die to complete an important mission? Do you want a police officer who is paralyzed with fear of being shot to be the man in charge of protecting the life and limb of students?

The answer is no: we need our "warrior" classes to have the minds and bodies of warriors. Police and military are modern "warriors", and warriors need to FIGHT. You can be afraid, you can doubt yourself, but you MUST ACT if you've taken the badge or the uniform; you get special benefits because of the danger, and those benefits must be earned sometimes.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They do it for the money and the exemptions the badge gets you.

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[–] freedumbz 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

WTF were you doing out there anyways? Jacking off? It's fucking hard to miss that much gunfire when you're right fucking outside.

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[–] Alpha_Voat_Protecter 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

There is an unrolled Twitter thread from a principal who has worked in the military and stopped an active school shooter, where he cites everything that is raising his alarm about this whole thing (notably, US Secret Service providing training at the school 3 weeks prior, and FBI and CNN somehow beating the very-local PD of a wealthy neighborhood to the school after the shooting started, as well as someone somehow knowing exactly what store the shooter went to after he fled the school).

If he's right, then the simplest explanation is that "there were feds or spooks involved in this, and they threatened him into staying right there while they shot up the school."

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[–] ucantdothatontv 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Great read, asking all the right questions.

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[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well, he finally at least posted some credentials.

I'm still very wary of this guy... I'm finding it real fucking hard to believe local media chose not to report on a potential school shooter being tackled by an administrator... I'd like to at the very least see the police report then.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I am sure he was doing the paramedics a favor by not becoming an invincible martyr.

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[–] MacPhisto 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

This cowardly asshole should be made to face every single family member and explain why he let their child die. It wasn't the NRAs fault or Rubio or Trump, it was the FBI, the Sheriff's Dept and most importantly, this spineless bastard.

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[–] Trumptastic 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yeah definitely not the gunman's fault it's our protectors fault, let me guess they need more power to better meet our natural right to safety? I do get that someone else in this guys shoes could of been a hero but he's not the scapegoat for the kids deaths, dozens of grown ass adults should of been allowed to defend themselves instead of relying on one "spineless bastard"

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Fuck Rubio, he continues to make disgusting comments every couple months punching right and shitting on people that critically approach these topics.

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