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[–] Highonfire 4 points 58 points (+62|-4) ago 

Responsible welfare is acceptable. The current system is heavily abused and unfairly rewards the parasites on society.

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[–] cyclops1771 2 points 37 points (+39|-2) ago 

The current system creates profits for supermarkets and other stores. We are taking tax dollars, and transferring 30-50% of it to giant supermarket corporations. This eliminates the cost of the profit for making the supermarket be the distributor AND making money off it.

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[–] cdglow 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

I'm onboard with food boxes as an improvement to the "welfare" system if one must exist, but I'm not seeing how this point about supermarket profits is a really convincing one.

This cost will still exist with the food box system: only instead it's going to go to federally connected contractors who are putting the food boxes together rather than local markets.

That being said, despite this I think costs will go down drastically in the long run as being stuck with generic food choices isn't going to be fun for people who are milking the system. People who are abusing the system for free money aren't going to know what the hell to do with a box of generic bland average quality meats and white bread and iceberg lettuce and rice and other types of common things that I'd anticipate being in there. At some point it's not worth the risk for fraud or abuse, and it's a hell of a motivating factor to go get a job if the alternative is eating fairly generic cafeteria quality food every single day.

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[–] DeltaBravoTango 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The food in the new system has to come from somewhere. There must be contractors involved in this.

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[–] magdalene564 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Working and paying out of pocket for food doesn't preclude being a parasite on society. Society itself is a parasite.

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[–] EloquentOgre 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

Like the elderly, and disabled... your image of who receives EBT needs to really be reconsidered. It's a much broader picture than you seem to even come close to realizing.

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[–] Alopix 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap-employment-and-training-characteristics-study

Each of the 53 State SNAP agencies operate an E&T program. SNAP participants who are not specifically exempted by statute are subject to work requirements as a condition of SNAP eligibility

WHUUUUT? Non-disabled people HAVE to work or enroll in job training to get food stamps? You won't read that on zerohedge!

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 6 points 2 points (+8|-6) ago 

Okay that is a nice general platitude, but do you have any hard numbers on the actual rate of abuse? All the data I can find suggests it is much lower than the hyperbole and the odd anecdote.

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[–] 11987871? 6 points 5 points (+11|-6) ago 

It's a circlejerk is all. Food stamps are an easy target because people picture niggers or deathfats buying soda and candy. Nobody considers the widower working his ass off with three children to take care of when they think of SNAP. More white people are on food stamps than any other race, but we are willing to make their lives more difficult because muh niggaz.

They also like to also gloss over facts like any system will have a certain amount of corruption/inefficiency in it (even in nature), and that not having any sort of welfare for people leads to the detriment of society. Like most things, there is a sweet spot between complete socialism and complete libertarianism which will give you the optimal result.

BTW, we already tried the box of food thing. We swapped to food stamps for many reasons, but the two most pertinent to this discussion would be that it was really easy to game the system into giving you more than you were meant to receive, and it was impossible to track what actually happened to the food after it was given away (and thus it would end up on the black market). Jackasses are still going to buy and sell the shit, it will just be about 100 times more difficult to catch them as there will be no electronic paper trail to follow.

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[–] Highonfire 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I dont care if you believe me or not but personal experience says its abused more than used right

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[–] x260ad8c12 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago 

But how will they pack multiple generations in a household for more money and sell their EBT cards for cash to get booze?

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[–] DeadBeatNigger 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Here's the great part. They'll actually learn to brew their own alcohol out of the foods they get, and the ghettos will be revamped by a bustling black created, owned and operated gourmet malt liquor operation.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

No they won't, they will just commit more crime and flood the disability programs etc. Which will further lead to poor whites getting fucked because we wanted to spite niggers.

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[–] Inconceivable2 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

They'll call it Wakanda Brewery

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[–] MichaelObamasPenis 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

ghettos will be revamped by a bustling black created, owned and operated gourmet malt liquor operation

Much more likely they'll have moonshine containing god-knows-what that makes you blind for 48 hours after drinking it.

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[–] asabove 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

and lots and lots of newly blind people...

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[–] fl3x 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Require ID when using EBT.

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[–] EdSnowden 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Do you really not have to show ID currently?

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[–] EloquentOgre 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

Your picture is on the EBT card for chrissake.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

They still will get about half the money in EBT.

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[–] harmlessgryphon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You'll see all these boxes for sale at the local mexi-flea market.

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[–] ToTheMoonAlice 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I predict that anything that can't be microwaved will be tossed int he garbage.

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[–] ErrantCognition 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

It wouldn't surprise me if it was the same shit they give to students. But hey, it'll look more appetizing when they realize they're going to have to cut into the booze and cigarette money if they don't eat it

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[–] Mind_Games 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So expect the drug epidemic to spike in major cities ? (I would)

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[–] l_voated_today 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Then they will starve, win win.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They won't starve, they still get half of their funds on EBT. This will just encourage more exorbitant high calorie purchases with the EBT side of it, more crime, and a flood of applications to disability and welfare programs. Furthermore, giving absolute garbage to eat for the millions of honest whites making use of SNAP just to shit on the small group of niggers abusing the system seems to be backwards.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

People already throw their bags of beans and rice out onto the ground when they get food boxes from the USDA banks. Its because they have no way to cook it.

Other than that I think the food boxes are an excellent idea.

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[–] tanukihat 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

Good. Nothing pisses me off more than when I drive past El Pollo Loco or Jack in the Box and see a huge "EBT WELCOME!" sign in the front window. These horrible niggers and illegals don't need to be spending their government handout on burgers, fries, and sodas.

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[–] stillinit 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Can you link your ebt to ubur eats and get it delivered?

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

EBT is just an electronic card that more than one program utilizes. You cannot use a SNAP food stamps EBT card for that.

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[–] tendiesonfloor 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Yup.

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[–] l_voated_today 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Interesting, the convenience store near where I work has signs saying no EBT for hot food.

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[–] EloquentOgre 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

That's true everywhere I have been too.

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[–] Alopix 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's because it's federal law. Like it's part of the rules.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

This is misleading as fuck though, Jack in the Box et all accept the TANF program not the SNAP food stamps program. Both use an electronic EBT card. This article is explicitly about the SNAP food stamps programs.

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[–] KILLtheRATS 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

The fact that we have all that shit is retarded.

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[–] lanre 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Ok, but what's the reason people on TANF should be eating fast food on someone else's dime? It isn't nutritionally balanced and on top of that it's expensive.

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[–] tanukihat 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

Yes. "Food stamp" funds from SNAP are distributed via an EBT card just like other government benefits. The EBT card is then used to purchase a Bacon Double Jack cheeseburger with extra-large Coke.

The only difference between TANF and SNAP is that SNAP cannot be exchanged for cash. Both are distributed via EBT card in many states.

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[–] EloquentOgre 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

You can't do that. You can't use EBT for prepared food like that. At least nowhere I've ever been, not that my range is very far.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You could if you had no access to a kitchen. I used it when I was poor.

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[–] 11989755? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Cash welfare and food stamps both come on a single debit card via Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT). Food stamps cannot be used for Jumbo Jacks, but “muh welfare check” gets loaded to the same card to avoid the expense of cutting all those checks, and it can be used for anything.

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[–] TheDaoReveals 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

The same government that made pizza a vegetable in schools and subsidizes corn is going to give people nutritious food? Absolutely laughable. The only real solution is to reduce the program and ensure people can see to their own livelihood.

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[–] carlip 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

true, but its better then handing out money. baby steps.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

They are still handing out money, we will just see a spike in crime and disability claims from blacks and hispanics. While poor white elderly and disabled will have to eat garbage now just to spite niggers.

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[–] AnonymousRider 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I don’t abuse the system. I buy regular food. Vegetables, ground beef, cheap steak, bread, coffee, canned soup, frozen meals, etc.

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[–] EloquentOgre 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Same here. That pretty much sums up my usual list. Plus greek yogurt, and whole milk. No coffee. I can get cereal and peanut butter sometimes via neighborhood charity.

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[–] SyriansAreTerrorists 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

Get a job

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You do realize that the majority of white SNAP recipients also have jobs? The Jewish corporatist system has created increasingly economically immobile areas with decreasing social mobility. The background environment isn't static, and these things are only going to get worse.

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[–] Alopix 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap-employment-and-training-characteristics-study

Each of the 53 State SNAP agencies operate an E&T program. SNAP participants who are not specifically exempted by statute are subject to work requirements as a condition of SNAP eligibility

whoops, you made shit up in your head and forgot it wasn't real

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[–] classy_nigger 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Interesting to see how this plays out with homeless people, who are a major food stamp recipient, and have no address to deliver to.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

This is all just to spite niggers. No one is actually thinking about poor whites, whether vets, elderly, or disabled.

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[–] KILLtheRATS 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

Good, fuck Niggers.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it plays out the same way people who have never been homeless think the hot food program is wrong.

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Give that money back to the citizens

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

This is assuming the state is magically able to accurately estimate costs. Creating a centrally planned wholesale and distribution system that is parallel to the market seems an awful lot like out and out socialism and will likely bloat over time.

Just wait until post-Trump, unless we have seized massive political power for good then the next democrat in office will have explicitly socialist infrastructure at their hands. I wonder how the costs will look then...

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[–] TheBuddha 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Wait, are you asking people to be forward thinking? Really? LOL

Personally, I'm in favor of a strong social safety net, 'cause I don't want hoards of hungry, hopeless people stealing my stuff. I like my stuff, that's why I bought it. It's also cheaper to feed, house, and even educate than it is to imprison. The biggest social situations correlated to crime are poverty and mental illness. Food and hope - bread and circuses. That way, I can keep my stuff.

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[–] MarkBlackUltor 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yeah, i wonder where that 13billion saved will go.

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[–] jwm5514 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Why does it have to go anywhere? Why can’t the government just spend less and try to shrink the deficit?

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[–] SyriansAreTerrorists 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It'll go to Israel because our government has been hijacked by the jews

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[–] Alopix 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

To multinational contractors like Del Monte. Straight out of the USA

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