[–] lordbeatlejuicethe1 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

they need to charge the cop that shot with "capital murder" so all gulity parties are punished.

[–] selpai 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

So the cop that actually shot the kid to death is being considered exactly what in this? A tool? Are they acknowledging that police are trained to shoot on sight? Indiscriminately?

[–] carlip 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

exactly this. the prosecutors will have to explain that a reasonable person should know that the police will kill you if you call them. provided by all the shootings in recent years.

[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It'll be the same as a normal case on the cop's end: barring evidence they knew otherwise, it was for all intents and purposes real when he shot.

[–] selpai 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yup.

[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Indiscriminately?

Guy ignored commands to keep his hands in sight, and basically to avoid acting like he was going for a weapon. I guess we're just going to have to shoot all the people who so utterly fail to understand how this works that they don't qualify to be out in public. Even if you don't think you've committed a heinous crime, if the police have you at gunpoint and tell you not to move....

A. Remain still, without moving.

B. Ignore whatever they're saying and be sure to gesture with your hands and arms a lot. Hand movements combined with words are the best way to communicate in tense situations.

[–] superspathi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Found the copsucker.

[–] selpai 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

If not having your hands in visible is probable cause to believe that my life is in danger, can i shoot people on sight too? Or is that only for people decked out in SWAT gear? /s

Are you trying to encourage people to submit to anyone with a firearm? No, really. Are you...?

[–] novictim 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Maybe they could get him on wire fraud in addition to making false statements to the police. But any guilty verdict of manslaughter will be thrown out on appeal.

Calling the police with a bogus tip should not lead to someone being shot and killed. That it did is the problem.

[–] heuristic 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I think the bigger problem is the real killer isn't being charged.

[–] novictim 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I would settle for the entire team being investigated for gross incompetence and consequential firings along with the implementation of corrective doctrines for the future.

This was a systems failure that should never have happened. And if it happened in that city, one needs to believe that it could happen in many others. There needs to be a nation wide set of protocols and training standards sent out to every "SWAT" team and police department.

[–] Zaqwert 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Calling the police with a bogus tip should not lead to someone being shot and killed.

It's clearly creating a very dangerous situation regardless. Even if it didn't it's still an extremely serious felony, as you are tying up emergency resources.

[–] novictim 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Clearly, yes. Who disputes that?

Were you making a larger point?

[–] carlip 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

"Maybe they could get him on wire fraud"

Are you fucking retarded?

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a presidentially declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

Explain.

"But any guilty verdict of manslaughter will be thrown out on appeal."

Again, are you fucking retarded?

PC192(b) Involuntary—in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection.

[–] novictim 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

carlip, you did not present an argument. Sorry to let you know that.

And I'm sorry that I have to be the one to tell you that your gut instincts and feels don't always add up to the right decision or correct pathway forward.

Next time, try to sum up your position in your own words and then, if there are ancillary citations you want to reference, do so but within the context of your overall argument.

I made a prediction that this man, or slime ball if you like, is not going to have a manslaughter charge stick. Either I am right or I am wrong. Let's see what happens.

[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Calling the police with a bogus tip should not lead to someone being shot and killed. That it did is the problem.

Well, the guy whose behavior caused himself to get shot is now dead, so that particular problem is solved. Most people understand that when the police have you at gunpoint, and are giving you commands to not move, or show your hands, it's best to avoid acting like you're going for a weapon. You can blame the guy for being stupid or mentally impaired, but he was the one that decided on that course of action.

[–] novictim 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You live in a bad part of town. You find yourself answering your door in the middle of the night in this dangerous neighborhood, and you are armed when you do so.

And the police fail to identify their own presence. (Is that true? That is one of the key questions).

And then you get a bullet to your face and chest.

What went wrong?

[–] BentAxel 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's poetic to see assoles like this get dealt with by the universe.

[–] Uncle_Tractor 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The US is the only country I know of that has a tax-funded death squad for its citizens. Don't even need to fill in a form; just dial S-W-A-T and give the address.

[–] ardvarcus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I want this malicious prick to go to prison for a long, long time.

As for the cop who pulled the trigger, he should get an early retirement. He made a bad judgment call and can't be trusted to carry a gun in the streets.

[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He made a bad judgment call

What is the argument for this? I could see the blob moving on the porch in that extremely shitty video. Seems consistent with "guy refused to stop moving or pretending to go for a weapon". Remember, cops couldn't let him go back inside to kill the other hostages.

[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Someone needs to help him with that smirk.

[–] alphasnail 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

How did he involuntarily murder someone? Serious question. Because everything I'm reading says the swat team relied on unverified and unreliable intel to shoot the first person who got in their path. So to me it seems like the person who shot him is the murderer. That makes sense doesn't it?

[–] carlip 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

PC192(b) Involuntary—in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection.

[–] alphasnail 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Huh. Well, I guess I learned something new. I wonder if that charge will stick or of it will get reduced to something else. I guess we'll see.

[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No.

[–] alphasnail 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes.

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