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[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 14 points -12 points (+2|-14) ago 

The "no knock" raids would be completely pointless if no one could grab weapons or destroy evidence after being informed the police were there. So what we need is a way to immobilize persons inside of a house or building as an alternative.


[–] littul_kitton 1 points 50 points (+51|-1) ago 

Real cops wait for the person to leave and pull over their car. No muss, no fuss, no dead cops, no dead bystanders, no kids with their eardrums popped and their faces burned off by flash-bang grenades.

Their stated justification was that they thought he had a big drug stockpile and an arsenal to defend it with. If that was the case, the rational strategy would be to provoke the confrontation somewhere away from the purported arsenal. Instead they made sure he was as close as possible to the purported arsenal, at a time when he was likely to be asleep and therefore as confused as possible. In other words, the cops acted to maximize their danger. They weren't policing, they were reenacting their favorite action movie, like a bunch of 12 year old boys. And like children treating guns as toys, somebody got killed.


[–] matthew-- 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Amen, mate.


[–] BUTTHOLE__EMPRESS 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Your explanation is clear and seems extremely obvious.


[–] GoogleStoleMyBike 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

There's absolutely no way that could be abused.


[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 7 points -5 points (+2|-7) ago 

Which is why I'd rather stay with no knock raids. Of course, if you're engaged in crime like this guy, there is a risk.


[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

So what? Life is imperfect. The risk of losing evidence is just part of the trade off of not breaking into people's homes unannounced and starting a gun battle.


[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If they are that worried about someone flushing some drugs down the toilet they should just cap off the municipal side of the shit pipe so that it can be released and recovered.


[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 4 points -4 points (+0|-4) ago 

Well, you've just stated the reason for no knock raids.