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[–] peacegnome 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

I am actually curious how this will play out, since we will probably see the same laws in the west sooner or later. Actions like this will push for a decentralized web, so as much as they are shitty, they will help us get the internet away from those who want to control it.

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[–] fortuitouslyunfallen 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

If you want to see how it is already playing out, look to China, with the Great Firewall. As far as I'm aware it is fairly trivial to bypass for people that are at least a little tech savvy. But I assume that will be the same, or similar path that Russia will take, essentially legislating what is 'allowed' or acceptable content to view.

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[–] 0b01000101 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

They don't care to control everyone, if the savvy-est 10% can bypass their measures, they don't care. The problem is that the internet used to be a pastime for only a few and has now become pivotal in influencing public opinion; they want to control the masses. Now that there will be a permanent online home for the mouth-breathers, I'm interested to see if they will migrate to an isolated internet created by the 10% or were just missing zuckerberg's dick in their lives.

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[–] ZX4jBXu 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well the Chinese have been bypassing their great firewall with VPNs... VPNs are the tool of those Chinese citizens who are as you say "a little tech savvy". China is well on the way to outlawing VPNs as well, they haven't yet but quite soon I'd say since China has been in the news about it just last week. So it'll be very interesting to see if anything develops in Russia/China that allows users to combat this horrid crap.

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[–] Turn_Coat 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I've been in china and am relatively close with several high-up chinese officials, so I'll give you my perspective on the Great Firewall, and why it exists. I'm not sure if this lends any insight into the behavior of the Russians, as they do tend to be more heavy handed than the chinese government, but it is an important perspective that most people here will not have heard.

I have to preface with a discussion of the chinese central government. The first thing to understand about the central government, from the perspective of a westerner, is that the chinese central government is not beholden to voters. That means that they don't need to worry about voter confidence if they decide policy A isn't working, and switch to policy B half way through the year. We're seeing this behavior right now with how China is behaving around bitcoin. They'll ban it, take a month to study it, and then regulate it with a very gentile touch. It's how the chinese behave. They'll gladly make sweeping legislative bans, but ease them once they thoroughly understand the dangers present in a technology, or idea. With respect to their firewall, it represents a massive ban, but they have never performed a 'pull-back' on their stance on it. This means one thing, that the policy is working exactly as they intend it to.

With regard to the firewall itself, you're right. It's trivially easy to bypass. When I was in china with my wife, I asked her to find out how to break it so I could watch youtube. It took her a couple of hours, and she studies political science, not programming. All it takes to bypass the firewall is a few hours, and even a touching familiarity with electronics, which brings up the question why have it at all?

Now remember the first part. It's acting as intended, and it provides a very low barrier of entry for those with a little determination. Therefore, its purpose must not be to prevent access to the global internet, that's just what they SAY its purpose is. In reality, its much more subtle, and perhaps the most brilliant piece of social engineering that humanity has ever experimented with.

The Great Firewall exists in order to protect the chinese culture from outside influence. The cultural marxists, the nationalist extremists, all of it, are on the other side of the great firewall. But china doesn't want to give up all the benefits of free exchange of ideas, so what the government has done is set up a relatively low-barrier-of-entry to access the global internet, and then told their people that they aren't allowed to do it. This means that every chinese citizen who gains access to the global internet is already a critical thinker. They don't do what they're told, and they're willing to dedicate hours in order to figure out how best to go about not-doing-what-they're-told.

This means that every chinese citizen on the global internet, is capable at looking at foreign propaganda in a critical light, as well as scientific papers, social media, everything else. So this group of self-selected explorers will be able to consume all of it, and then choose only the best parts to bring back to their own culture. They're already critical thinkers, none of them are sheep, not one, so when they are exposed to all of these new ideas, they're much more difficult to influence than citizen who is merely a sheep.

The Great Firewall was never designed to prevent every one from accessing the global internet, it was designed so that the only people who would put the effort in to do so, would be able to handle it. It's amazing. It protects the chinese culture, while simultaneously allowing china to absorb the best parts of other cultures without being nearly as vulnerable to any attempts to propagandize the masses of chinese citizens.

It's brilliant.

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[–] spherical_cube 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's complicated in China. Not exactly trivial, but always possible. Then again, anything is possible, it's just a question of money and time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuEdYvQmVFg

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[–] NotHereForPizza 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Which is why I almost like this move by Putin. There's a huge problem that comes up, however, when you realize just how many businesses which, in one way or another, utilize VPNs.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I am surprised that they aren't offering licenses to use a VPN or something like that for businesses and government people.

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[–] norfidforme 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Good luck enforcing that shit.

There are already great obfuscation tools out that make it look like https.

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[–] fartyshorts 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

When you ban the VPNs, you bring the trolls out of their caves and they get really cranky. I would instantly join the revolution.

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[–] kevf4 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Banning VPNs is just another authoritarian policy to limit free speech and privacy. No one should ever be immediately on board with this.

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[–] spherical_cube 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

If the Chinese can't stop VPN use, the Russians most certainly cannot either.

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[–] Turn_Coat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They never intended to.

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[–] Tb0n3 [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

"Won't someone think of the children" -Putin

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[–] Thegreatstoneddragon 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Say 'nuclear wessels'

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[–] 10940731? 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Well let's just hope this won't turn out to be inspirational for the entire west

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I don't hold my breath

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[–] ArsCortica 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It's kind of funny how all the goats who kept sucking Putin's dick because 'muh strong leader' now suddenly see him as a globalist jew marxist race-traitor. The dreaded double-think strikes again.

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[–] verifex 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I'm surprised you haven't been downvoated by the Putin sympathizers. It's hard to imagine what goes on in someones mind who sympathizes with Putin without getting paid for it somehow.

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[–] Buff_Awesome 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This is why Russia is not my backup plan.

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[–] WD_Pelley 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This. I don't want to go to war with Russia like a lot of neocons do but that place isn't what I would consider great.

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[–] SunWheel333 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

What a faggot. Another jew puppet or crypto.

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