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[–] Broc_Lia 27 points 76 points (+103|-27) ago  (edited ago)

Before we get too cheery over antifags getting smacked down, I'm not sure it's a good idea to collectively charge protesters with the actions of some of their group. If that kind of precedent is allowed to go unchallenged it becomes pitifully easy to criminalise any protest group: Just infiltrate a few undercover cops to start some shit, allow them to "escape," then herd up the rest and slap them with a felony.

Result: They can never vote again. And since protesters tend to be politically homogenous groups, there's a huge incentive for their opposition to disenfranchise them. Also, as a bonus, they can't own guns either.

Imagine if they did this to unite the right because of the car incident, would it still be awesome?

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[–] lexsird 14 points 51 points (+65|-14) ago 

I'm not going to play these bullshit 'what if' games with you. These are Antifa cunts, dressed for violence, hiding behind their masks, looking for shit to start. This was a 'black block' of the most violent punk cunts to ever hide behind a mask.

This wasn't just 'oh they broke a couple of windows'. That's some faggot talk trying to excuse these fucking cunts. These are conspirators to be violent, this is FUCKING TERRORISM in our streets. This isn't some innocent protest group, they are fucking traitor criminal leftist faggot scum. I hope they all rot in prison and get raped every day of it.

Fuck you, fuck this sympathetic article, fuck all of you faggots that are so easy on them. This is the kind of pussy resolve that lets cunts like this thrive.

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[–] AinzOown 1 points 34 points (+35|-1) ago 

This. Every time I see an Antifa video they're attacking people in a mob so I doubt a few broken windows was the extent of it. They are organized rioters at best who go around attacking people and breaking shit.

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[–] obvious-throwaway- 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

That article was a HUGE pile of shit. For fucks sake, it starts off with, "Trump is the most disliked president in history" or some bullshit. Really? Anyone here dislike him more than Obongo? More than half the country voted for him and of those voters, you can guarantee that none were illegal spics, sand niggers or Jew Bolshevik Communists. The majority that voted for him were well established, community driven, nation dedicated whites who want to create a better world. Certainly not a bunch of ignorant Jew pet football niggers shitting all over the idea of capitalism while being the winners in the capitalist lottery. Fuck that article, fuck the commies, and fuck the brainwashing Jewish Bolshevik professors brainwashing our children. I'm way more interested in seeing those fuckers swinging from light poles than I am in jailing a bunch of brainwashed kids who've spent their life growing up under Jewish indoctrination in our public schools.

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[–] ding0bait 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

Thing is, it's always a slippery slope. The second you give, it's gone-- for good.

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[–] bob3333 4 points 2 points (+6|-4) ago 

These are Antifa cunts, dressed for violence, hiding behind their masks, looking for shit to start.

Doesn't matter who they are. A society ruled by laws doesn't have different laws depending on your political opinions. They already have that shit in Saudi Arabia.

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[–] googlehangoutsnow 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

The thing about Antifa is that “black block” is a conspiracy to commit crime. They want to commit crimes and silence the opposition by disguising themselves and covering their faces. So everybody who has adopted the black block style is part of a criminal conspiracy and collectively responsible for the crimes. If you look at it that way it makes sense.

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[–] Sullysq 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

If the case is addressed in that way, perfect. If not then it's like @Broc_Lia said, a dangerous precedent. A clear line has to be drawn as the case is argued that it was provable conspiracy to commit the crimes.

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[–] Gorillion 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Yep, this. The "power" of the Black Bloc, that they squee with delight about among each other, is that no individual can be identified because the group as a whole can swallow up the offender after a quick-dash attack and protect them via anonymity.

Prosecuting the Bloc rather than the individual destroys this "power". By proposing that it's the bloc itself that allows for violent action, promotes violent action and protects violent attackers within it's masked ranks. AntiFa will screech that it's not fair. That it's "cheating" to "change the rules". Because the Black Bloc was conceived with the (stupid) assumption that society at large would fail to adapt it's laws to deal with this new concept. That it's somehow dirty pool to change the playing field so they can't exploit a legal loophole anymore.

Knowing this just makes me hate them more. They literally thought they had invented a clever way where they could visit violence upon others without repercussions, gleefully so, proudly so, and that it made them smarter and better than their ideological opponents. And remember, to an AntiFa anyone is a Nazi if they personally decide so.

My position is that they should fucking hang for this.

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[–] RoBatten 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This type of shit needs to have the RICO act applied . . .

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

If you want to arrest someone for conspiracy to commit crime and you can prove the conspired to so so then great. But that's not what happened here as far as I can tell. They're being charged with being in a crowd, some members of which committed a crime.

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[–] NicknameUnavailable 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Not that I disagree with your stance, but honestly if anything the past couple decades have shown that precedent is meaningless - whoever is in power will abuse whatever they have available and can get away with so the focus should be not falling out of power.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Agreed, but it's easier for them to do it if there's no pushback.

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[–] Phuc_Dat_Bich 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

The problem is that they explicitly organized as a group with the intent to create a distributed and coordinated attack. Legit protests do not do that. These idiots also did so out in the open and wore masks and camo during the act.

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[–] Cheesebooger 6 points 24 points (+30|-6) ago 

I don't think anybody should have to do 70 years over a broken window, left or right

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Nobody's going to get a 70 year sentence. That is the defense trying to make the charges seem outlandish. Most of them probably won't even get any jail time beyond what they already did. A few will perhaps get 2 or 3 years if they can be shown to have had any part in the planning.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Exactly. One guy is facing 8 charges that max out in the 8-10 years each range. No judge is going to give them the max without priors and no judge is going to sentence them to serve consecutively. So the reality is they might get 1-5 years for each charge they are found guilty on and server them concurrently, meaning they will be out in a matter of weeks or months if they serve any time at all.

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[–] Sosacms 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I agree the sentence is too much, especially when compared to more serious crimes but.. it's more about the protesters getting out of control and life threatening than about the window. Crack down hard to prevent escalation of violence.

Plus it being inauguration day, that adds some problems.

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[–] IndianaJones75 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They did a lot worse than a broken window. The media lies to cover for scumbags.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

98 ANTIFA shills VS 26 real goats and now we need a new Voat clone website before the trolls find it.

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[–] GuyIDisagreeWith 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago 

If I were the judge I'd knock it down to 70 years community service. Someone has to clean up all the trash the women's marches leave.

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[–] spherical_cube 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

They'd never do it. You'd have better chance getting them to serve 70 years in jail.

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[–] 10900220? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If I were the judge it's 70 fucken years straight and without parole, hysterically knocking down the hammer as hard as I can, get fucked you fucking commies haha

Now they can still appeal so I don't give a shit

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[–] Phuc_Dat_Bich 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

This is how you deter political violence when it is getting out of hand. Were the perps actual freedom fighters with a just cause they would not organize their rebellion in the open and would not be deterred by consequences. The point of these protests was to creat an aire of popularity and public support for opposition to Trump as though he were not legitimately elected. This is a destabilization effort, not a protest. Going harshly after ground troops is how you get them to settle down the tension levels but also some will flip on their paymasters.

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[–] Simpleusername 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Zero sympathy. They weren't protesters, they are larping ISIS and committed crimes.

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[–] Rellik88 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

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[–] aboutime 4 points 6 points (+10|-4) ago 

Yes, I remember when Obama imposed these draconian protest laws after the Gillenbrand shooting. Aw shucks.

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[–] gabara 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Good.

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