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[–] simagule 1 points 311 points (+312|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Reddit have really shot themselves in the foot, I think we are only just seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of fallout.

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[–] closer8 0 points 185 points (+185|-0) ago 

People actually interested in the conversation will start coming over here, leaving the other place stuck with memes and pun threads. This has all happened before (Digg), it will happen again.

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[–] voat-simulator 26 points 148 points (+174|-26) ago  (edited ago)

No sir, we're bringing our dank memes and pun threads with us!

Edit: love 'em or hate 'em, they're a part of the community!

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[–] eazybit13 0 points 116 points (+116|-0) ago 

If you look on reddit all the usual suspects are just saying "good I just wish they would fuck off to voat".

I'm willing to bet that the "vocal minority" also happens to be the one that posts content.

"I wish they would go"

into

"so glad they left, reddit is so much better now all those neckbeards have gone"

into

"Hmm, reddit content quality has taken a nose dive these last few months"

into

"Wow, I moved to voat, really wish this neckbeards would go away"

Rinse and repeat.

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[–] Chivalry_Bitches 0 points 52 points (+52|-0) ago 

I'm new here, and I must say, the vibe here is very 2011 reddit.. It's great.. I'm all for reddit staying on and sucking up all the shit posters, and Voat becoming like the VIP area..

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[–] pinkmagnet 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

I remember the Digg migrations, the big one 4-5 years ago. Not too long after the comments and content started going south in the big subs. Hopefully the same doesn't happen here...

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[–] No_Its_EYEgore 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

Pao has made it clear that she wishes to turn Reddit from a community-driven site to a corporate money maker. She's pouring gasoline everywhere and all it takes is one match to set it up in flames. Victoria and FPH are only the beginning. There's more fire to come.

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[–] CodeBabes 0 points 135 points (+135|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Ack, fucking hell, YES Pao sucks, but the dude responsible for ALL OF THIS is basically going completely under the Radar: Sam Altman

His startup (Loopt) was "acquired" for almost the exact same amount of venture funding it took, so almost complete fail, but for some reason this dickhead has been anointed as the start up god of Silicon Valley... Pretty sure he gave Paul Graham or Peter Thiel (probably both) a reach around because he's now president of Ycombinator.

He led the $50 million investment round in Reddit 9 months ago. Just read the AMA he did after leading the round, the Silicon Valley circle jerking is astounding w/ appearances by Alexis Ohaninan (who let Aaron Swartz get taken down without saying one word), Steve Huffman, Peter Thiel, even Snoop Dogg and a bunch of other investors just giddy to see how much money they can squeeze out of Reddit.. Also, not much was said about the plan to distribute 10% of the shares back to the Reddit community after the fact, would be interesting to find out if those shares were distributed and which mods got them. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2hwr02/i_am_sam_altman_lead_investor_in_reddits_new/

Sam Altman is the guy who mandated all Reddit remote workers must move to SF, because it's his rule for startups, you know cause his start up was so successful... Reddit employees were originally given a week to decide. https://twitter.com/dhh/status/517365481272262656 DHH is a great dissenting voice when it comes to venture capital bullshit.

Here is Sam Altman's whole hearted endorsement for Ellen Pao: http://blog.samaltman.com/a-new-team-at-reddit And if you needed on more reason: https://twitter.com/sama/status/489593535083999232

More people should be calling this butthole out. He's gotten to ride on the coattails of an amazing series of investment rounds because he's Paul Graham's golden boy, and for some reason he thought Reddit is a great undervalued opportunity, you know because the Reddit community is totally down for MOAR monetization. His arrogance is palpable

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[–] flibolimay 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

I think it's more that the owners want it making money so brought Pao in to do that. She's just incredibly clumsy about it.

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[–] Sorahzahd 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

We all saw how that worked out for Digg when they made it so that advertisers could get fake threads to the top, over and above real content (not to mention the shill comments).

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[–] upvote_nothing 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They really just messed up completely how to monetize Reddit. A lot of people would have been much happier if they introduced new mod tools and small advertising at the same time. Slowly, incrementally over time they could add a better search and another little monetization. Put your users first, make money second.

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[–] jjkmk 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

The longer it takes for reddit to remove their current CEO (Pao) the more the damage becomes.

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[–] Noglovenolove 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Honest question, do you think everything could go back to normal if there was a new CEO tomorrow? It seems like people are excited and putting a fair bit of effort into Voat and other sites, I wonder if this damage, or at least damage to reputation, is too much to come back from.

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[–] ElTigrePollo 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The only reason the voat hasn't completely smooshed reddit is because it crashes at the most important time, like when people are looking for that alternative. By the time its back people have given up waiting and crawled back to reddit.

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[–] MongolUB 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think ultimately that was the one chance voat has missed.

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[–] TheRedditExodus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Being down for a few hours would have been OK. Being down for days was a huge issue, I've been here around a month now and I almost decided not to check today.

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[–] Toastzilla 0 points 151 points (+151|-0) ago 

I dunno, I think reddit will be ok with lots of people leaving. The majority will stay and they can deal with the censorship and mismanagement. Voat will be a better community and that is all I really want.

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[–] SolacePlays 0 points 65 points (+65|-0) ago 

I'm really glad Reddit is fucking up because it introduced me to Voat which I'm actually enjoying more

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[–] gunsmcbadass 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

Exactly. At this point, I couldn't care less about what happens over there. I've found where I'm happy.

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[–] Caerlocc 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yup, my only complaints have nothing to do with Voat itself and everything to do with being newer and having less established small subverses ( v/MonsterHunter is tiny compared to its reddit equivalent which I used all the time. I've contributed but it'll just take time)

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[–] Heckler 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'm just glad I got in early enough to get a cool username.

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[–] IsUllMe 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Personally I love having made the switch from Reddit to Voat. It would just be a lot better without all of the people who are making the switch from Reddit to Voat.

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[–] Nephrastar 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

With the blackout of 2015, if a lot of people leave based on that, they'll be ok.

However if better alternatives pop up, people will eventually flock to that and cease going to Reddit altogether.

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[–] toatsmavoats 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

If only we had a better so-called "alternative"....

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

It seems that the people who make reddit's content are the ones pissed off. If they all leave, then reddit will die off with them. Then the majority would be forced to join boat.

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[–] airbud88 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Its goat not boat.

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[–] wimpytaco 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Same thing happened at another site I used to frequent. It got ALOT of traffic (not Reddit type numbers but still, 7 figures per month hitwise). Had very active forum(s).

Owner of the site let some heavy handed mods essentially shut down a forum that was the busiest on the site. The users said "see ya" - started their own site and watched the traffic stats fall to the floor as users flocked to their new site.

You can't piss off the content creators. People will follow them every time.

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[–] hunt_the_fatties 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Honestly that's what I hope will happen: The people who are interested in an open forum come here and the people who prefer the facebook-style tailored content stay there. It'll extend the longevity of this place before the inevitable.

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[–] SovietWomble 0 points 62 points (+62|-0) ago 

I saw one article that said something like "Reddit has effectively created it's own competition".

It's going to be very interesting watching what will happen in the long run. Now that the sudden mass migration has put it on the radar, I have a feeling it's going to be a bit similar to the Myspace vs Facebook thing. With Myspace making mistakes, Facebook quietly gained the reputation as "the more adult social network", and people gradually started to explore it.

I'm predicting that over time, through good word of mouth between users, Voat will get the reputation "like reddit, but with greater user engagement and without the censorship stick". And it will slowly start to gain dominance.

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[–] s-9444 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Agreed. Although I think there will always be a 'triggered' minority SJW audience left on reddit because it's their safe padded room. Will reddit still have any good content at that point? Unlikely.

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[–] user2033 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Like a star that has cast off most of it's material in a supernova, and has become an incredibly dense neutron star.

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[–] PassingShip 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Memes of kittens, bubbles, and play dough. Also, the reddit hug will remain, but instead of being of death, it will be the reddit hug of justice.

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[–] dukeskath 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I saw one article that said something like "Reddit has effectively created it's own competition".

The author of that article should be disciplined for using improper possessive forms.

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[–] umyeahnope 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Found the English major.

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[–] PaoRightinthefister 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think the internet community as a whole might start to see the cycle by now. Awesome free site is created, audience grows, corporatization begins, the site starts to fade, new site pops up. Rinse and repeat.

Hopefully boat can stick to it's core principles when the temptation to sell out becomes greater.

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[–] I_am_lard_lad 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

Just another example of US ran company losing its customer base to a system ran on the principals of muh freedoms.

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[–] nichos 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Yep, no other country on the planet has companies that work for profit :/ /s

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[–] mental_furniture 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

I was always pretty much a lurker on Reddit. I just used it for information and entertainment. But, as the current shitstorm has developed, I found myself getting really pissed when I kept reading user descriptions of their shadowban experiences.

Also, I tend to agree with the people who believe that the admins are planning to make Reddit more and more "advertiser friendly." I am old and I remember when MTV did nothing but play music videos.......yeah, I know: that's old. But, MTV was a really cool thing back then and over the course of a handful of years it was pretty much completely ruined. I am not hopeful for Reddit's future as a truly open forum.

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[–] wimpytaco 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Have an upvote. You and I are similar.

I remember when having cable meant you for 15 channels instead of 3. And the channel changer was a slide box hooked to the TV with a cord.

Holy shit I'm old.

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[–] mental_furniture 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yep. Exactly. And MTV rocked when it first started. There had never been anything like it before. I am interested to see if Reddit follows a similar destructive mass marketing path.

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[–] jarod-cain 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Same, I'm still lurking on Reddit and here when it is up and running. But I think that once this place becomes more lively and some of the subverses start getting more content I'll eventually just stop going to Reddit. Worse comes to worst I still lurk at Fark.

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[–] oooWooo 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

If the creators can stick to their guns regarding censorship I could see this website becoming an instrumental platform. I've just created my account today and am still learning my way around, but I'm enjoying the aesthetic and am really intrigued by the submission statistics in the right side of the page. Seems like it would support a bit more transparency.

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[–] SolacePlays 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm with you there :) just made my account and I'm loving the feel/look of this place that and since it is still a small community it feels more personal

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[–] wimpytaco 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think they will as long as there isn't something they could be potentially held liable for (like CP). Those subs I think would be deleted.

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[–] malleeman 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Congratulations to everyone at Voat!!! You have showed the big guy how to do it right, I hope this site grows in leaps and bounds

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[–] SolacePlays 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

WOOOOOO VOAT!

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[–] IDONTGIVEAFUCK 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Replying to everything, I see...

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[–] 0fux 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

We know. We're here.

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[–] polkadotgirl [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Lol. True. I thought it would make Voaters happy though.

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[–] 0fux 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It does :)

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