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[–] GuyIDisagreeWith 0 points 64 points (+64|-0) ago 

Only the Federal government has the right to determine immigration law and enforcement of that law. If Arizona couldn't deport them California cannot provide sanctuary for them.

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[–] Capt_Rye 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

We have the logic winner here. But we all know California doesn't use logic.

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[–] RoBatten 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Good luck CA. Affording all of those illegals will put you in the same place as IL . . .

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[–] voatusernamevoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Legal winner as well.

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[–] AndrewBlazeIt 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

GuyIDisagreeWith

I'm very conflicted right now

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[–] GuyIDisagreeWith 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

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[–] TerraKell 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago 

Hypocrisy, greed and illegal immigration. I had a conversation yesterday with an older lady. She and her husband had moved to Nevada from MexiKali to escape high taxes in retirement. She was all for the illegals because, gasp, the price of a carrot will increase if we pay living wages to people working in MexiKali's Central Valley farms. She believed no self-respecting American would stoop to manual labor in the fields. I really took offense at this statement and told her that I had worked picking string beans as a kid. Besides, I told her, using the illegals in the fields for less than a living wage forced their children onto (hidden) welfare that we Americans are paying. This is economic slavery. Her response to that slavery statement? "So?" Cheap carrots was all she was concerned about; nothing about empathy for another human being in another state. Sigh. That is what American has come to: cheap carrots, hypocrisy and greed.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

She was all for the illegals because, gasp, the price of a carrot will increase if we pay living wages to people working in MexiKali's Central Valley farms.

  • Bad news for the left: There is no such thing as "living wages" and you cannot create prosperity with regulations

  • The reason farmers are employing foreigners is because US labourers have been regulated out of the market. If you want them to be employed again then remove the barriers preventing them from reentering the employment market.

I told her, using the illegals in the fields for less than a living wage forced their children onto (hidden) welfare that we Americans are paying.

So stop paying them welfare. Problem solved.

This is economic slavery.

Only if you redefine slavery to mean something which has nothing to do with actual slavery.

"So?" Cheap carrots was all she was concerned about; nothing about empathy for another human being in another state.

Why should she have more empathy for the guy you prefer instead of the guy who has the job?

Sigh. That is what American has come to: cheap carrots, hypocrisy and greed.

How is that hypocritical?

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[–] meow_cow 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I bet that the older lady has been nothing but an upper middle class house wife. Most people who've worked don't usually look down on others like that.

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[–] library_of_stupid 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

Boomers are the most vile generation in human history. Not even current year leftists are as disgusting as them.

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[–] speedisavirus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just wait for millennials to age into leadership

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[–] OhRutherfordBehave 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ideally we could get university students and recovering drug addicts to do all the types of jobs that Mexicans currently do. We could make drugs legally available through clinics where rehab would always be available and this would be the way these people found employment during and after recovery. Working outside in the sun could have an immense effect on a struggling person recovering from drugs. The work could really take your mind off things and the sun is very healthy for your mentality and emotional state.

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[–] 10704477? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

None of those things increases the power of the state.

None of those things will happen because the state doesn't give up power it only takes it.

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[–] Pawn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Drugs in exchange for labor in picking the string beans you say?

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[–] Tallest_Skil 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

implying this is legal

implying ICE will obey it

[YOU ARE HERE]

implying Trump won’t cut all federal funds

implying the National Guard won’t be sent in to arrest the government of California

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[–] DishingShitLikeA 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

implying the National Guard won’t be sent in to arrest the government of California

I live amongst all these Fucktards. What a glorious day that would be!

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[–] OhRutherfordBehave 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I would absolutely love for the "undocuallies" which exist my Ca university taken away in handcuffs for committing treason and an invasion against the United States of America. It would be a glorious day, but alas, there are much bigger fish.

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[–] speedisavirus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

National guard is a state organization without federal activation which states technically can challenge.

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[–] cthulian_axioms 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

implying the National Guard won’t be sent in to arrest the government of California

The minute that happens is the minute California declares independence; and frankly, if they want to have their own nation, they should have it.

So should Cascadia. So should the Northeast. So should the South.

I'm not saying our nations can't or shouldn't be friends, but it's long past time we disabuse ourselves of the notion that one central government is entitled to make decisions for 375M+ people, or even that it's capable of doing so fairly.

Devolution (or rather, a return to the original principle of the Tenth Amendment) would also be an acceptable outcome, but the fucking swamp creatures are never going to willingly give up their power; therefore the only options are secession or acquiescence under tyranny, and this Northerner sure prefers the former.

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[–] Pawn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Actually nation-states was the original goal of the founding fathers. The common binding thread would be that all nation-states would be american, and united in common goals. Federal power was supposed to be limited.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The minute that happens is the minute California declares independence

And the minute we destroy them, deport all the nonwhites, and hang the traitors therein. I hope they try.

So should Cascadia. So should the Northeast. So should the South.

Nah, balkanization does no one any good.

a return to the original principle of the Tenth Amendment

Returning to the 10th amendment means there will be no secession needed.

the only options are secession or acquiescence under tyranny

Your false dichotomy is total bullshit. KILL. THE. TRAITORS. Then the nation can remain together. How does that not come up as an option?

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[–] voatusernamevoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

they should have it.

They aren't Americans, no, they should not have it. Expel all the illegal aliens, no communists allowed, then who is left in California vote, and if THOSE people want to split, then I say sure.

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[–] chappelle_blah 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Really. A treasonous conspiracy to aid and abet criminal invaders in violation of federal law before, during, and after the fact. The Governor can go down for RICO issues. And of course they want the rest of the nation to fund their treason. For humanitarian reasons. Of course, this has nothing to do with enhanced revenue from property and sales taxes. And they have no fucking water, so we all have to stay thirsy so their desert-dwelling tax base can chug-a-lug and stay hydrated when they pick the state cash crops. FUCK CA. I say that as a man born in LA. Fuck them.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'd also like to see Padilla, De Leon, and Pelosi fry.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Again, our shitty government arbitrarily decides something utterly moronic without calling a vote. As fucking retarded as many of my follow Californians indisputably are, this was not put to any meaningful vote. I expect it's going to cost us Californian tax payers dearly, and that fucking pisses me off.

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[–] RoBatten 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Taxpayers are fucked. But voting on it is problematic. You'd need to exclude all of the illegals from voting . . .

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Fuck.

I like to forget about that.

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[–] voatusernamevoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

problematic.

People really need to stop using this sjw word.

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[–] OhRutherfordBehave 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Send in the fucking national guard.

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[–] Pawn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

the national guard that is under the Californian governor, or the national guard from another state?

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[–] KingChem 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The President has the authority to federalize the NG, making them responsible to the active military chain of command. Doing that would remove the state gov ability to direct and mobilize his guardsmen.

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[–] 4775795f4d616e 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes.

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[–] FloridaGuy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Good. Let it go. California needs the pendulum to swing all the way before they wake the fuck up.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I would be absolutely over the moon if they seceded. The dems losing 50 electoral votes would cause a tidal wave of leftist secessions as they all scrambled to get out of the emerging non-left order.

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[–] meno 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I wouldn't. Aside from the fact that I live here, we would be losing a ton of money.

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[–] VoutGuy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

... in snub to Trump.

There is the left. No goals, just be contrarian to anything Trump says.

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